Conquering Clutter: Tales of Order and Chaos

Ever wondered why organizing your desk can feel like climbing a mountain? Chrisy and Kerry swap tales from their cluttered worlds, where paper piles and pristine workspaces collide. While Chrisy battles the clutter jungle at home but reigns supreme in her office, Kerry finds solace in a spotless work desk while embracing a relaxed approach at home. Together, the ladies navigate the tricky waters of keeping chaos at bay, especially when home becomes the new office.

Chapters

• 0:07 Organizing Desks at Work and Home
• 7:30 Emotional Attachment to Objects
• 13:37 Organization, Cleaning, and Mental Health
• 23:09 Organizing Strategies for the Home

Transcript

DJ Nick: 0:07

Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast. We may not have seen it all, but we've seen enough. And now here are your hosts, Chrisy and Kerry.

Kerry: 0:19

All right, hello everybody, welcome back to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast. My name is Kerry and I'm Chrisy, and today we thought, you know, with this wonderful weather of the wintertime, we're all stuck inside. What are we going to do, Chrisy?

Chrisy: 0:34

Well, some people will be productive, yeah, and they'll get their house all cleaned out and organized and that sounds so wonderful. Where do I sign up to have somebody come do that for me?

Kerry: 0:46

I know, really I'm fairly organized, but what the worst place for me is my desk, because, as you know, the weeks go by, everything. I'm like I'll just pile it on my desk, pile it on my desk, and then I'll be like I'll file it later. Well, two months goes by and now it's heaping and I'm like, okay, I really got to do this and it's just so hard to get started. But once I get started, I'm okay, but it takes me a while.

Chrisy: 1:13

Now is this your desk at home.

Kerry: 1:15

Yeah, my desk at home, oh, okay.

Chrisy: 1:17

Just out of curiosity, because I have two different lives. Although I work from home now, yeah, the life of my organization at home and then when I did work in an office, and even my my office here. It's two different, it's totally two different places. Ok so what's your desk like? At work? Do you get like real serious and you have to have everything organized there to stay productive?

Kerry: 1:40

I do. I do not work well in a mess, so I have to have everything somewhat organized. Now it'll quickly, because of the nature of my job, become a disorganized craziness, but by the end of the day, everyone, everything, has to be stacked and neat or whatever. And you know and I do push in my office that, like, things need to be kept tidy and I am definitely not a hoarder, I'm definitely one who all go through things. I'll be like, ok, this, what, what is this? Why are these boxes sitting in here that have been in here for, you know, eons, you know, or why are we keeping this piece of paper or whatever? We can scan it and save it digitally and we don't, you know. So at work I am definitely on people about like let's, let's tidy this up. I have one employee who doesn't like to follow that role, wow.

Kerry: 2:29

But there's only so much I can do, because they're kind of a little bit above me oh yeah, you sort of just cringe and bite your bottom. Yeah, we're kind of like on the same level. I guess he's not above me, but yeah, so anyways, so, anyways though, but yeah, I'm a true Gemini and there are two parts to me. Okay.

Chrisy: 2:48

And the home part is do what you have to to maintain a nice, clean household when you have kids and pets.

Kerry: 2:57

Yes.

Chrisy: 2:57

Sometimes that changes. You know you still do what you need to do.

Kerry: 3:00

Right.

Chrisy: 3:00

And when I worked at the office and even, like I said, my desk here very opposite because I'm very relaxed at home like piles of mail or paper. My husband will get agitated with that way before me. The kids leave something laying around and I've tripped on it 10 times. I'm like way ahead of it already. The reason I got up and tripped on it was because I was focused on doing something else.

Kerry: 3:25

Right.

Chrisy: 3:26

But then I'll come back and I'm focused. So those type of things which I know agitate him, yeah, but when I worked at the office and even now I almost keep my desk, like when I'm there. It's like it doesn't even look like anybody works there.

Kerry: 3:39

Oh my.

Chrisy: 3:40

Like I do get rid of everything. I do file it. Yeah, I am very much so weird how proactive I am. Yeah, yay, to the people who I work for, I guess because I just don't want it sitting around and being hanging over my head that it's going to need filed, or you know, everything does get scanned now because I just worked in offices for so long.

Kerry: 4:00

Yeah.

Chrisy: 4:00

I still have a hard time Like I'll file it long. Yeah, I still have a hard time like I'll file it yeah, but everybody's like you don't have to keep that it's scan, just throw it out. And now that I work from home, I have a lot of paperwork I generate for what I do processing things and I was used to when I did go in the office once in a while.

Chrisy: 4:16

I would have like these huge boxes full of all this stuff. I did, yeah, and I'd be like where do you want me to put this? And they'd be like what is it? And I'd tell them. And they'd be like where do you want me to put this? And they'd be like what is it? And I'd tell them and they'd be like shred it, what do we want us to do with that? Throw it in the dumpster. And I'm like, oh, my God.

Kerry: 4:33

So now I keep it. I use it for burn the things. You still have to have that in a filing cabinet hard copy. Yeah, yeah, no, I actually just oh, it was probably just about a week ago I went through my office and I was like just really reorganizing, getting everything all cleaned up. You know, in the new year let's start off this right.

Kerry: 4:55

My problem is with my job. I get there's so many distractions during the day, like I start on a project but then 20 distractions will come through, so I never like it's hard for me to sit down and start to finish something. There's too many distractions, so I get paperwork out to do something and then throughout the day more things are coming in, and so then I got to like tidy it up. And you know so once in a while I'll go in on a weekend just to kind of like, okay, get control of it back. But generally everything is pretty tidy and I tidy everything up. And at home I'm kind of the same way.

Kerry: 5:28

Now, I didn't used to always be that way. I used to be really bad at keeping stuff, but my theory began as I started moving was, every time I move, if something was in the same place from when I moved in to when I moved out. I would seriously consider do I really need that item in my life? Why am I moving this box that sat in this spot for five years and I did nothing with it? Why am I moving it again? So that has really helped. But now the problem is we've been here for 11 years. We haven't moved. Things were starting to creep up. You know I was like, oh, because I hadn't had a move to do a purge. But then this thing with my mom's house, when we sold that and I really saw the bigger picture of what am I doing with all this stuff. I've been really starting to go. I've been much easier letting go of things. So now it's like purge city. It's like let's get rid of it.

Chrisy: 6:18

I'm still afraid that somehow I'm going to accidentally dispose of my identity. Like, somehow is my social security number carved on that? I don't know what, it's just a weird thing. So shred it. Well, even like something that has nothing to do with my social security number. I'm just like can somebody like put their hands on this and then like so you just meditate my information?

Kerry: 6:42

out of it. Like just's very Just shred it then If you're worried about them lifting information from it, I don't know what it is.

Chrisy: 6:51

It could be a piece of furniture oh gosh, I sat on that. Can they tell who was sitting on this chair? Your DNA is on that chair, oh my God, that's. Oh my God, that's probably what it is. What if they throw it somewhere and it's next to a murder scene and then they're like, why were you here? I've seen those terrible shows where they like, oh, we found a hair and this is probably the person.

Chrisy: 7:12

And, oh my gosh, I all I did was throw that chair out yeah so I'm like I'll just keep it then, that way it doesn't go somewhere it doesn't belong. Keep or burn, there's no in between for you.

Kerry: 7:21

Yeah, I totally destroy, annihilate.

Chrisy: 7:25

Yeah, it's horrible to be that extreme and it's, it's exhausting. Yeah, and you want to change mentally? I will sit here and tell you I want to just throw my husband, just get a roll off. We'll throw all this stuff out.

Kerry: 7:37

Yeah.

Chrisy: 7:37

Say goodbye to it. You don't need it. I, my mental brain, tells me, yes, I don't need it. Right, I will feel better if it's not here. Right, but the act of doing, it's going to destroy me.

Kerry: 7:46

Okay, now let me ask you this what if? What if you left the house in the morning, spent the day, whatever, say, you came to my house for the day and then you came home and it was already done. So you didn't have to watch the process and it'd be done. Would that be any better?

Chrisy: 8:02

Yeah, probably, yeah, yes, and you're not the first person. I understand where you're going with this, because you've been here and you're like oh, I can help you with this.

Kerry: 8:11

I can help you and I have a feeling that you're like I think this could be something good.

Chrisy: 8:16

Yeah, probably, as long as it's not anything that like photos or pictures or anything like that.

Kerry: 8:23

But yeah, probably that would be wonderful, because if I don't actually, if you don't have to physically take it out of the house into the dumpster. This is just how horrible and dysfunctional. I am.

Chrisy: 8:34

If my husband does and I give him the go ahead yes, Get rid of that large piece of something, Furniture or something we don't need. He will get it down to the street for trash day and it will sit there and I this is so weird, this is so messed up I will. Consciously I don't want to look outside, oh yeah. Because then I'll feel like I'm going to start feeling weird.

Kerry: 8:58

Or that you might have to go get it and bring it in.

Chrisy: 9:00

Well, I hope not. Okay, I have that much control.

Kerry: 9:02

So you haven't done that yet?

Chrisy: 9:04

No, okay, no, no no, but I'm like oh my God, that's my stuff. It's sitting outside in the cold, is it cold, is it?

Kerry: 9:09

almost like I give something Like feelings, emotions, what is wrong with me?

Chrisy: 9:17

I've done that. I did a little too old for that.

Kerry: 9:21

There's something so wrong with me. But what I need to finish is that there are certain things Okay, so let's just take a stuffed animal. So I had this one little camel stuffed animal as a kid. His name was, I called him Paleface so because he was like he was like a cream, light colored, yeah Anyways. So that to me growing up it had feelings. It was, you know it was. I had projected that on it to this day. If I see that, I will still have that same thought process for it. Like I found it in a, in a box, you know, when I moved and I was going through boxes I'm like, oh, these are all my stuffies. And I'm like, oh, there's pale face. And then I couldn't put it back in that storage. I had to put it out in the room because I'm like you can't breathe in that storage box. So I know what you're saying and, yes, as an adult I don't apply those things to new things, but the things I had as a child still have retained their livingness.

Chrisy: 10:13

Yes, In that sense you and I are very much similar because, oh and stuffed animals, they're so cute, they get you every time and mentally you see them Like, especially if you have kids or grandkids or whoever you want to buy these things for they're beautiful. I don't even know that they mean that much to kids. Now I don't want to sit here and presume that, but I mean, stuffed animals were sort of a big deal for us. They were a security for us.

Chrisy: 10:37

And I'm sure they are still for children, and I'm sure they are still for children. You know parents get funny about them, reasonably so because they hold dust and the kids have allergies or in general the bed bug thing.

Kerry: 10:51

I know Bed bugs freak me out. Yeah, that's my number one freak out. When I go to a hotel, the very first thing I do is I move that mattress, I strip it all down, I'm inspecting that thing. I'm terrified of bedbugs.

Chrisy: 11:03

Yeah, you know, I know we're supposed to be really conscious of what we do to our environment, but just maybe can we do that. Bring that. What is the fact that they stopped? Because it was killing birds or something?

Kerry: 11:19

And that's why we got bedbugs again, because they outlawed. Oh, the stuff that kills it.

Chrisy: 11:22

Yeah, the deet or whatever, yeah yeah, yeah, really, I mean, come on, I mean it sounds, seems to me that I didn't see, I don't know, people suffering from deep, but I think it was. I know we need birds because we need pollination, and the bees, oh my god, it's terrifying. No god, that's a whole other thing just sitting around thinking about stuff. Yeah, bedbugs is scared, so it's stuffed animals yeah, and my husband really.

Chrisy: 11:41

He's just like I just want to throw this away. But then he takes them out of the box and they got that cute little face on it and they're looking at me like do you?

Kerry: 11:47

remember me, it's the velveteen rabbit story.

Chrisy: 11:49

Remember that story growing up it sounds like it's probably horrible and uh sad, and an animal gets hurt or gets separated from something.

Kerry: 11:58

It's a stuffed animal story like this, you know, or the velveteen rabbit, and it was all pretty, and then after years of loving on it and it gets anyways and nobody wants it anymore. I don't remember how it ended, but I know it had something to do with what we're talking about. Oh, we're gonna have a whole show about those traumatizing kids shows.

Chrisy: 12:14

We have a show coming up on tv and movies that may be traumatized us but cart, there were some and there are, yeah, Another day. But yeah, maybe if the stuff was gone that would help. And I understand, the holidays is like prime, because everybody's putting away their you know, a month or so ago.

Kerry: 12:30

Yeah.

Chrisy: 12:31

They were putting away all their holiday stuff, right, and you're sort of hoping for spring.

Kerry: 12:35

Yes.

Chrisy: 12:35

After all of that. So you're thinking maybe I get my house. It's almost like spring cleaning, yes, but it's not spring yet. But I'll be ready. The one thing that gets me and I should not be watching these things Hoarders Well, oh no, I won't watch that.

Kerry: 12:47

Oh my gosh that will dislike completely.

Chrisy: 12:51

First of all, my husband might say oh my God, I'm living with somebody.

Kerry: 12:56

No, trust me, you're not, I'm not that bad.

Chrisy: 12:58

The videos on social media where they show people who organize. This is the most ridiculous thing. They're refrigerators. Yeah, have you seen these? Yeah, and they have all these things and then they like you have to fill everything up to a T and they make that. It's all that. Is it called ASMR?

Kerry: 13:12

Yes, asmr, yes, the sounds Should we do?

Chrisy: 13:16

our show like that Maybe, more, More people will enjoy.

Kerry: 13:19

Oh yes, the sounds of smacking everything into the tray. Into the tray, you'll do a chainsaw, chainsaw. Where did that?

Chrisy: 13:29

come from. Oh my gosh, I thought that used to just be something that, like you, would be annoyed by but people enjoy it. They enjoy it, yeah, but watching people wash all their fruit. Yeah, which I did, I started washing my fruit with baking soda okay and sticking my strawberries in there and I'm like, oh, this is what I'm supposed to do, and then just all and I did.

Chrisy: 13:51

I actually bought like a few of those plastic plastic trays to sort of but all I did was annoy me in there because then it was in my way.

Kerry: 13:59

When I had to put something else in there, I'm like there's like two yogurts in this tray.

Chrisy: 14:03

Yeah, now what? Now I got to take the tray out. I don't continually restock everything.

Kerry: 14:09

I'm not a grocery store, yeah.

Chrisy: 14:13

And the juice boxes. I don't want my kids to have that much juice and they'll just go in and get it, yeah, so why would I have 50 juices in there, right? And then the soda cans. They look lovely in there, but we don't need to be drinking all that soda. But the fridges look fantastic.

Chrisy: 14:28

And then there's people who just like clean, yeah, and they live in these homes and they just I'm like, really, you made it look that easy. I watched you clean everything in like less than 10 minutes because you're editing all that Right right, right, right oh my God.

Kerry: 14:44

I will have to say I, you know, always clean my own house and everything, and you know, I know what you mean when you have dogs and pets and stuff. You know you just have this heightened sense of awareness that you got to. You know, keep your environment clean Because people might judge when they come over or whatever. But when my mom lived with us it just got to be too much between taking care of everything, taking care of her and you know I'd be surprised at how messy an 85 year old woman can be.

Kerry: 15:12

But I hired a cleaning service and it was the first time in my life that I ever had you know, I hate to say the word made because it was a cleaning service, it was fabulous and so when my mom moved out I was like but I don't want to give up my cleaning service. So I still have the girl come twice a month to clean and it's so good. It's one of the best mental health things I think I've done for myself. So I still do tidying up and everything but the deep cleaning and stuff. She deep cleans the bathroom and the kitchen and stuff twice a month and yeah, it's such a good feeling.

Chrisy: 15:47

I love this. I do. I'm telling you it's, it's, it's worth your mental health it's.

Kerry: 15:49

Yeah, just to do the stuff that I you know that kind of thing would be wonderful, because it would just be one less thing that you'd have to do yes, and it's getting done.

Chrisy: 15:58

Yes, which it needs to. Yes, yeah, I, I'm hoping to. Uh, I aspire to have this happen.

Kerry: 16:03

Yes, she will yeah, so, and that's the thing too with my house is, you know, jim's, jim's very. He can be very well organized and he can be very much, you know, wants things like he pretty much routinely every night will clean the kitchen up before he goes to bed, which I love. Thank you very much, jim. I appreciate you are speaking my love language right there. But now his garage is a different story. Like you go into his workshop with all his tools and everything doesn't have the same sense of organization as the house. So it's kind of funny, like you were saying, your work office space, your home office space and your rate, you know it's the same thing with him his garage, maybe another he knows where everything's at Right. Well, that's important. Yeah, way, you know, it's the same thing with him his garage maybe another he knows where everything's at right.

Chrisy: 16:44

Well, that's important.

Kerry: 16:44

Yeah, he knows where it's all at and he but he can be a little bit of a hoarder he'll be like I got these oil filters. So if something happens, you know we got these extra oil filters. Well, you know, 10 years later he still has the oil filters. Now we're moving.

Chrisy: 16:56

I'm like, really I gotta move these oil filters now he's like but you never know when you're going to need it. Oh yeah.

Kerry: 17:01

And I will give him credit. There's been many times where we've needed something and he was able to go into the shop and dig it out and we've had it. But yeah, it's just sometimes you're like, OK, you have to know when to say when.

Chrisy: 17:12

Yeah, my husband has in a year's time. Probably that's one of the big things he does. Yeah, he cleans out the garage, I'm like he's reorganizing it. That garage has been reorganized way more than anything else, he moves shelves. He moves things, he gets rid of stuff, yeah, and then he's in there with a blower getting all the dust and leaves that sort of hide in there. And yeah, he does like to sort of stay on top of that, yeah.

Kerry: 17:43

The junk drawer, though never seems to be. I just did my junk drawer last weekend. Yeah, I couldn't stand it, dumped it all out, took me an hour.

Chrisy: 17:47

What was the biggest issue in there? Is it change? Is it keys? You don't know what they belong to. Charging cords.

Kerry: 17:54

Oh yeah, and I was tired of not knowing what went to what. So I was like so okay, I got little Ziploc baggies and I put each carding cord in each one, figured out what they went to and put a label on it. So now I know, oh, these are for the ring cameras and oh, this is for this. And I still have one. I have no, still have no idea what it's. Still, it has a question mark on the bag because I don't know what, it's still somebody has say did you find this cord oh?

Chrisy: 18:21

maybe this, maybe this? Is this it the mystery bag? Yeah, mystery words. Yeah, the cord thing is. We have like way ahead of us on that. Yeah, we, I think, have just one very large Ziploc bag and it's got a variety of cords just shoved in there.

Kerry: 18:35

Oh, you know what that mystery cord is. Remember, you came to my house and I said did you drop a cord? That's the mystery cord. I was going to ask you if that was it, because, remember, I thought it might have been my house cleaner it wasn't hers either. Yeah, so I still have no idea how this mystery cord showed up in my driveway.

Chrisy: 18:51

It's weird. Do you ever think, maybe, like a bird, that's possible Flying with that?

Kerry: 18:56

Because sometimes Because that tree right there where you parked by my driveway, is always filled with a gazillion birds. I never thought about that.

Chrisy: 19:02

It stole it from somebody. Oh my gosh, see another reason to bring back the deet, the birds they're like gonna try and pin us for a crime that we didn't commit. They're gonna drop something horrible in our yard and they're gonna be like, look, there's evidence, I don't know how that got there.

Kerry: 19:22

It's a charging cord from a crime, from a murder on the other side.

Chrisy: 19:25

Somebody got strangled with that cord. How did you get it? I have no idea. Swear, I wasn't there.

Kerry: 19:31

You see, these things you think of are hysterical. You know what I'm upset about, about this whole organizing thing. I was cheated during COVID. Oh, I did not get the luxury of being pent up in my house with nothing to do, do all these renovations and organizations and everything. I was working my butt off. And I was not a first responder. I worked at a church but I was very busy because, just in the concept of my job and what we were, you know, trying to make sure all our congregants were safe and reaching out to them and doing anything, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was busy and so was Jim. He was, you know, working from home. So we were both working from home. We had, we probably worked more during COVID than we do, like on a normal, you know, cycle of life. So I didn't get to, like you know, redecorate. I didn't get to go purging stuff. So I'm like, when do I get my year off to clean my house and purge? Like I missed out? Yeah, I didn't get that check.

Chrisy: 20:31

My husband has a job that required him basically to work even harder.

Kerry: 20:39

He's not a first responder, but he's in public health.

Chrisy: 20:43

So that basically redefined what his job really was all about. And my job also continued on with the type of company I work for. We do supply a product that is definitely necessary for many, many, many people, but I was working from home, so it didn't really change how I had to operate, the only thing. If you were able to do that, that's wonderful, I know, but when you had kids at home who all of a sudden were no longer at school, oh, that's true, there was a time where they didn't go to school.

Chrisy: 21:14

It almost made it impossible to stay on top of certain things.

Kerry: 21:19

Yeah, see, it was just Jim and I, so it was just the two of us, and I would have loved to have had even just a month.

Chrisy: 21:24

So it probably didn't feel like really anything was going on except probably more aggravating because you couldn't get your groceries or toilet paper. Yeah right, yeah, that's probably more aggravating because you couldn't get your groceries or toilet paper.

Kerry: 21:32

Yeah, right, yeah, because I'm not a hoarder, so I was not prepared. You weren't prepared. No, I was not prepared, for as much as you might think I'm close to being that.

Chrisy: 21:41

The one thing I don't stock up on is probably what I should Like toilet paper yeah. Stuff like that, I only buy when I need. Yeah, I need.

Kerry: 21:49

Yeah, I didn't become like some sourdough baking queen or anything during that time. No, that's okay. So, but now I am getting my house together and so you know I'll go through if I have a weekend, day off or something. Sometimes I'll be like, okay, I'm going to tackle that closet. And so I've been doing it a little bit at a time and I will say it's gratifying, you know, to get there. So I hope that you'll be able to maybe cross that threshold.

Chrisy: 22:11

I do want to, and I hope this is the year I do. I think we'll do it.

Kerry: 22:14

So, all right. Here's the deal I'm running the marathon. You need to purge. That's our year goals.

Chrisy: 22:19

All right, because I've been sitting here I have. I actually have really been thinking about Carrie's making this.

Kerry: 22:24

Well, it's a good thing, and you've done it before, so I'm not going to sit here and say it's some sacrifice for you oh, it's a sacrifice, trust me, especially whenever the weather is a freak and cold and I can't get out there and do my long runs right well, I understand, but I mean it's more of just a lovely, very appreciated uh thing that you're doing in honor of this endeavor.

Chrisy: 22:44

We've gone on and I have been sitting here thinking I've got to come up with something. So if it'll make you, if it'll make your heart okay, grow 10 sizes that day, like from the ground, if you come to my house and all of a sudden you can tell that what type of room this was supposed to be, and not just a storage facility. I I need to commit to that like you, committed to your marathon.

Kerry: 23:09

So make, but start small. Don't worry about the whole house, maybe just like one room.

Chrisy: 23:14

I'll do a corner. That's a start. That's a start.

Kerry: 23:18

I'll do my junk drawer and I'll show it to you. You can't just take that and put it in another room. Right, you got to get.

Chrisy: 23:23

Which is terrible to do that you have to throw it out. You have to throw it out moved. How many junk drawers do?

Kerry: 23:39

you have in your house? Well, there's one in the kitchen. I probably have one. Probably. There's a junk drawer in every room. Okay, not my kids rooms, thank god I haven't infiltrated theirs. Well, how are your? Is like the kids? Do they take from that? Like like your oldest? This is, uh, her room. Is she a tidy or is she?

Chrisy: 23:49

like I love her to death and she's a fantastic person. Her room is a little scary and but you can't blame her her to death and she's a fantastic person. Yeah, her room is a little scary and but you can't blame her then because you know she's well nick, nick.

Chrisy: 23:58

My husband does remind me, you know, sometimes, when he gets really upset with her because she's not writing it up, that he gets mad at me. You're disorganized, and she must see that, and so therefore she thinks it's okay and I'm like wow, how did this turn into a smack me around thing?

Kerry: 24:13

Because, Chrissy, it's all about you remember.

Chrisy: 24:15

It is. You know what he uses that to his advantage. It is all about you. And see, she just doesn't think this is the right way to be. She needs to be more organized. But to be honest, I mean you were probably pretty neat at 16, 17.

Kerry: 24:30

Barely- I was. I think I, like I need organization to function in my brain. So like if I have a really big project to do and everything is like a little disarray, even though I need to get started on that project, I will do all the stupid little things first because I need to clear it out so that I can let my brain work on the big things. So I think that's the big reason why I need cleanliness is I need organization around me so that my brain can get organized, because my brain is like that meme where it says I've got like 20,000 window pages open in my brain and they're all running at the same time. That that's my brain. There's. There's so much going on up there. It's crazy.

Chrisy: 25:10

Yeah, yeah. So Well, I need to get myself over that mountain and come down the other side with all of this, because none of this is making me happy, right, and you have to just understand that, and it's not benefiting anybody, right, and it's just a bit of a problem.

Kerry: 25:30

So I think too, though there's also helpful because you know we're both dealing with things that are not in our control in taking care of elderly parent, right. So there's only so much we can control in that, and that's difficult for us. So what's nice about this type of project is you feel there's something you have control over you know, so you can.

Kerry: 25:51

it is therapeutic in that way that, okay, I can't control this this person over here who I am caring for but I can control this clutter in this room and yeah, so I feel like sometimes it was a it's calming therapy for me when. I do things like that because it helps me gain control of something in my life, as opposed to what I can't control, Right.

Chrisy: 26:13

So yeah, I need to do that. I need to remind myself of that and see how good it will make me feel, and my husband will be so elated elated, I'm sure and I will be too. So, junkies out there, what are we doing? We would love to hear your approach to organization. Yeah, your approach to organization, yeah, and highly organized, uh, or are you like me, fighting to, uh, get to a good place?

Kerry: 26:39

or does it just not bother you at all? Not a father at all, yeah? Or are you a like a list maker, like, oh, okay, I need to make a list of everything, like you know, sometimes that's also how I start with my word is making lists. So, whatever, what, how do you get through your disorganization? I, I guess so.

Chrisy: 26:53

Yeah, I've done the list thing and it gets lost or it's used for something else, and then I try to text myself and then I can't find it because I've texted myself so many things.

Kerry: 27:05

You do that a lot. You send texts like when you have thoughts cause. You did that with me for the show. And I finally had to start categorizing. I'm like, I'm like I'm gonna get a lot. I know you texted me something, but yeah, I know. So what's?

Chrisy: 27:18

yeah, what's your strategy? Better about that, but yeah, so I love to hear how people handle this, because I need to take christy needs help.

Kerry: 27:26

Yeah, I need help. Christy needs help.

Chrisy: 27:28

I need help with a lot of things but this is one I'm really willing to admit to and we can help you with it.

Kerry: 27:34

Thank you All right junkies. Well, we're looking forward to hearing all your feedback and again, if you're listening to us from a streaming device, please give us a five-star rating or hit that like follow or subscribe button. We really appreciate your support. We sure do. Get cleaning, get organizing people, your support.

Chrisy: 27:51

So we sure do get cleaning, get organizing, people chop, chop. Spring's on the horizon, so be ready for it. All right, bye-bye, bye-bye.