The Last Goodbye: Funeral Politics and Family Drama

Death may be universal, but funeral etiquette remains surprisingly complex territory—filled with unwritten rules and unexpected social landmines. We're diving deep into the politics of saying goodbye in this candid continuation of our funeral conversation.

Chapters

• 0:08 Welcome to Dysfunction Junkies
• 1:42 Funeral Line Politics and Anxiety
• 9:10 Flower Arrangements and Hierarchy
• 14:52 Family Politics and Funeral Fights
• 21:09 Breaking Bad News: Calls vs Texts
• 27:31 Closing Thoughts and Next Episode

Transcript

DJ Nick: 0:08

Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies Podcast. We may not have seen it all, but we've seen enough.

DJ Nick: 0:14

And now here are your hosts, Chrisy and Kerry.

Kerry: 0:22

Welcome back, junkies. I'm Kerry

Chrisy: 0:25

and I'm Chrissy.

Kerry: 0:26

So our last episode, we went down the rabbit hole of funerals, yes, and we just had such an amazing time with it that we didn't even get to all the content. We wanted to talk about Best time of my life. Here's round two.

Chrisy: 0:40

Yeah, if you still aren't completely losing your mind yet, but this subject has a lot to touch on. It does, and it affects all of us and we've all had these sort of experiences. I'm sure plenty of other experiences that we aren't going to touch on, but it is an experience, it is.

Kerry: 1:00

It is life and you know it is kind of fitting for the season because we're winding down in Lent. It's Easter week, easter is coming up, so let's talk about death and I promise you our next episode we will liven it up and talk about life and Easter Bunny, and for it. All right, here we go, here we go. Chrisy did that a couple episodes ago and it cracks me up, so we quote about that a lot. Alrighty, I think we were talking while we were talking about bereavement meals or the mercy meal we were talking about why do people show up to funerals and everything? Let's take it from the car lineup and the seating arrangements. Let's go from there, chrisy, your thoughts.

Kerry: 1:51

Because I see your brain percolating over there.

Chrisy: 1:55

At a funeral. I guess I didn't really ever realize that there until I lost probably a parent, because part of that, you know, it was either a grandparent or somebody who I wasn't closely related to, right. But there is a specific place for the close immediate family to be placed in the line into a funeral home, correct To greet people who are coming to offer their respects, right. Being somebody who would go to a calling hours to someone who I knew and again, I don't go to many funerals I don't find that. I don't feel it satisfies anything in me as far as the grieving process and I don't know that my presence there offers anything to that family. I'd rather just maybe talk to them on the phone afterwards or see them personally outside of that and talk with them about the sadness of the loss.

Chrisy: 2:57

But it is an awkward thing for me, just for me, to have to go through the line and the seating of the family, because these people are at that moment and in that period of time, at the worst part of their lives. They've lost somebody who really was their life, part of their life, and that part of all of that is now over and they're trying to figure out how they're going to move on and they have this distraction which I guess now there's some people who might tell you that that part of it and having the over and they're trying to figure out how they're going to move on and they have this distraction which I guess now there's some people who might tell you that that part of it and having the community and friends come and reach out to them it's definitely healing for them and I don't disagree with that. It's not something I experienced ever in that kind of process, but obviously stems from something that they felt that this whole process is helpful, right.

Kerry: 3:46

I think what we need to do is like this most recent funeral I was at, where the casket was at you could go either on the right side or the left side. I almost felt like if you went on the right side, where the family was, then if you knew them and you were intimately knew them and wanted to express something to the family, you go in that lane. But then you could have the express lane on the left side where you could just go up, do what, say your little words if you want to pat them on the shoulder, whatever it is, but then you can bypass the family and it's in no way a disrespect to the family. To me it's almost more respectful, because if you don't know them, you have social anxiety Like I tend to have anxiety a lot and so like it puts me in a lot of anxious situation, like what am I going to say to these people, like I don't know them? You know, and it should be just equally as acceptable whether you want to go to the family side or the express lane.

Chrisy: 4:39

I totally am on board with this Isn't that a good idea. Well, here's the other thing that happens a lot, and I'm sure everyone who's been to a Calling Hours has experienced this. You have a lot of people who generally are coming all at the same time.

Kerry: 4:50

Yes, after work or whenever the time is scheduled.

Chrisy: 4:53

Yes, so now you've, got a line yes. And then you have people who are talking.

Kerry: 5:00

They don't read the room.

Chrisy: 5:01

And they are just staying up there and they're just talking with the family a lot.

Kerry: 5:06

And it's usually about themselves. It's usually nothing to do with the person you know it's just it's not the time to do it.

Chrisy: 5:13

And so now you're, you are feeling socially awkward because you're standing behind these people waiting, yeah, which is making you overthink the situation. True, and depending on where your placement is in that line, if they have you going now, I've had two different lines, I guess One where you are greeted by the casket first. Yes To go and kneel.

Kerry: 5:36

Yeah, I prefer that first, because then you can make your own express lane. What?

Chrisy: 5:39

if you got the people talking in front of you.

Kerry: 5:41

Now you're hanging out with you know that's true, and you keep trying to wake up.

Chrisy: 5:46

Yeah, because you keep tapping them, because I think it's probably a nervous thing. You're like OK, well, I'm standing here waiting. I mean, maybe you know, comfort them.

Kerry: 5:54

Yeah, you know yeah. Hey, anybody, are you dead yet? Yeah, I'm still dead.

Chrisy: 6:02

Can you hear me? Can you hear?

Kerry: 6:03

me now. Can you hear me?

Chrisy: 6:04

now, oh God Again. Yes, I am scheduled for hell. I'll just say a couple of hand marries and rosaries and I'll be fine, you'll be fine, yeah, so it's very uncomfortable, it's hard, yeah, and you know. So if you're doing that and I, because I am not a very religious person, I feel awkward if I were to have to kneel. So I generally opt out, yeah, and in fact I think sometimes people. They don't even have those there anymore.

Kerry: 6:32

Depends on the funeral home.

Chrisy: 6:33

Yeah, we're really funny and sort of funny. Really quick story. When I was very little, the funeral funeral I went to was my grandmother's and I was, like I said, six or seven. Well, my little friend who I had hung around with, who lived in the neighborhood because we lived in the neighborhood with my grandparents- my grandmother nope, it wasn't fingers.

Chrisy: 6:51

Okay, it was, uh, another childhood friend that was sort of around the same time as fingers, but actually had predated her a little bit because this friend was older. She came to the calling hours with her mom because we were close and again. They lived in the neighborhood too, and she got so like by then I was like a veteran, because I'd already been hanging out there for the day.

Kerry: 7:12

Yeah.

Chrisy: 7:12

So nothing was affecting me, you were desensitized. So I tried to like go up with her to kneel at my grandmother's casket together, to sort of just hang with my buddy. And you know, you came, you came for me and I appreciate that she was so filled with anxiety. Oh, I remember there were tassels on the kneeler and she got so nervous. I think she had a tissue in her hand and she thought she was tearing the tissue and she was tearing the tassels she ripped all the tassels off the kneeler when they were all over the floor oh, the poor thing.

Kerry: 7:50

See, this is the dysfunctions that poor girl probably can never go to a casket to this day. She's probably traumatized.

Chrisy: 7:57

I hate to add a really bad thing to this, but she's deceased. My little friend, she passed away. She was a couple years older than me, but unfortunately she unexpectedly did pass away. But I didn't mean to bring it down even more, as if I could bring this down anymore, chrissy. But yes, I do remember her ripping those damn tassels off of that kneeler. Probably shouldn't have kneelers with any sort of fabric on them. Yeah, I mean.

Chrisy: 8:23

So yeah, the kneeling thing is awkward to me, the waiting to speak to the family is awkward, I think just going and you know, when you get a chance give a hug. I'm very sorry, you know, and move on Right. Because anything you say in that moment and the longer you're made to like hang or yeah, I just always feel so bad for the family.

Kerry: 8:45

I really do, because it's like you said, people are coming through, you're at your worst moment, but anyways, the other thing I think is kind of an interesting, and I feel like this is maybe getting a little bit more and maybe not, maybe a little bit in the past, but flowers, so the amount of flowers, like I think it's so nice for people to send something to show their. You know, if they didn't come to the funeral, then they send the flowers. But here's the problem After the funeral you've got all these flowers. Now I've seen funerals where there was only a couple sent and again, no reflection on the person. Just, you know, there was only a couple.

Kerry: 9:20

But I've seen funerals where there were literally 50 or 60 things of flowers. What the heck is the family going to do with all the? They don't know what to do. They don't know what to do with them and there's just flowers everywhere and it just is like it's such a nice sign of respect. But I love how people now will do in lieu of flowers, give it to this charity or do this, and I often wonder, like, do the people really do that?

Chrisy: 9:44

Well, I think that some do, yeah, but I think when you deal with your older generation, yes, that they know they have to send flowers. Yes, and I do know what the family does with them sometimes. We're not speaking about everybody, what would you do? Well, not me, I mean somebody you know. Have you ever gone to the cemetery after they bury a person? They just throw them all over the top of that turned over earth. I have seen where you go to the cemetery you know somebody's just passed away.

Chrisy: 10:15

They sort of. Of course, I think they take some of them, yeah, but again, like you said, what are you going to do with all this stuff? Right, so they do leave them on the. I think they take some of them, but again, like you said, what are you going to do with?

Kerry: 10:23

all this stuff, right, so they do leave them on the grave. Now, I'm not saying this is a regular practice, but this is what I have seen in my past.

Kerry: 10:28

That makes sense. See, when my father passed away one, his funeral was out of town and he was buried in his hometown. Really, the only of us that went was family, and although we have a big family, there was a lot of people there, but we didn't. We asked no flowers. We didn't have calling hours at a funeral home, it was. He was literally just at the church. So you know, that kind of made it simpler, but I did get some people sent me flowers and I will say, okay. First of all, I do not have a green thumb. I would love to have a green thumb. I strive all the time to have plants in my house but they usually die. But I'm very proud of myself because there's one plant that was given to me and it had. It was like three different types of flower plants in one. I have since separated them out. They're still alive.

Chrisy: 11:14

Two and a half years later, is that the same family of the plant that you presented me with that I still have on my windowsill up there, the orchid no?

Kerry: 11:20

family of the plant that you presented me with, that I still have on my windowsill up there the orchid. No, it's not an orchid, it's a parlor palm and it's a I can't think of it some kind of ivy thing. Yeah, it was, it was that and I still have kept that and I actually that is nice because it is. I always say, like that's my dad's plant and it came with a little cardinal, like little bird in it, so I still have that in there. So, like for me that was that meant a lot because I still have that. You know, like again, if there's 50 of them what are you going to do?

Chrisy: 11:48

There's another thing, too the politics of funerals. Yes, with these flowers, yes, that I've witnessed is that the older generation, usually it is a practice of them to basically go through, and they want to know who sent the flowers, who sent these, who sent this bouquet, or I gave you one, another one that I've seen people do, the person who's people who sent flowers, who are now at the calling hours.

Kerry: 12:13

Yeah, they want to know where their arrangements are and in proximity to the casket.

Chrisy: 12:19

Yes, yes, uh-huh, yeah, very. Arrangements are In proximity to the casket. Yes, yes, uh-huh, yep, very, very, you know.

Kerry: 12:23

Is it kind of like the bigger, how that saying goes the bigger the hair, the closer to God, the bigger the flower arrangement. The closer you were to the family, or closer to the casket, the more important you were or that they felt you spent enough money on that arrangement.

Chrisy: 12:37

You need to be displayed Right, or maybe your place in society, if you were somebody that a lot of people know you want to show off and say look oh, yeah, yeah there's a whole underlying oh yes does anybody ever say this stuff out loud, because I mean, I am, but I mean come on, if you know, if you're not realizing that this is what's going on.

Chrisy: 12:56

Yeah, this is what's going on. I think it's beautiful that somebody who wants to send flowers send it to their family member. Yeah, you know, if you were friends with the daughter with the spouse yes with the cousin. Send it to them, send it to them, that's I'm thinking of you. Yeah, I know this is a hard time for grief. Right, because the family invests in what they call the casket spray, anyhow, right. And and, to be honest, isn't that enough?

Kerry: 13:26

flowers, because that spray also goes on the graves once I see I knew that one, but I wasn't thinking about all the other ones. But you're right yeah uh-huh.

Kerry: 13:35

Yeah, here goes another thing like so we've talked about like the line, the procession, but then it also gets to be the seating in the church or the cars in line to the cemetery. And this is where I kind of going back to my dad's funeral, you know, all of us five girls were right up in the front row with my mom and then my dad's brother and my mom's brother and stuff were like two or three rows back, which it was like a perfect order. But what got me was at the end, when the casket leaves, you know, the first row is supposed to go out behind. So it's the you're kind of staying in that pecking order and I'll never forget that.

Kerry: 14:14

As the casket was being, you know, taken down the aisle, my sisters and I were leaving the pew to follow behind Three, four rows back. There was an extended family member who jumped out of the pew to be first in line to walk behind the casket. I was so irritated I'm like who the heck, what are you doing up there? Like you got the five daughters and the wife. Why you, why, why are you jumping the like so disrespectful? I I'm still irritated about that.

Chrisy: 14:45

Like it's not about you, you know get your own funeral, you know, if you have wedding planners, yes, they need wranglers for funerals to sort of put these people back in their place for behaviors that really are not acceptable was that?

Kerry: 14:59

I mean okay, tell me, am I wrong? Am I wrong by being upset by that?

Chrisy: 15:02

No, you're not wrong at all, and I'm not surprised because, again, funerals bring out the absolute worst.

Kerry: 15:08

DJ Nicks died at AdLib.

Chrisy: 15:10

Shouldn't funeral directors kind of be managing those? Expectations of the family, that's what I think Well, were you at the church, though? Yeah, we were at the church, yeah, so the funeral director is probably not there.

Kerry: 15:22

The funeral director was there because, I will say, when we were getting before service, there was some people that were trying to sit in the front row, and I remember going to the funeral director saying, hey, why are those people sitting in the front row? That's not you know, but here we were on the front row, on the left side, and you know whatever. But so I was like OK, ok, ok, gotcha. I thought, they were sitting in our seats and I'm like what are those people?

Chrisy: 15:45

Yeah, so the funeral director might try to help, but in general I would have to say that it's not home base anymore for them.

Kerry: 15:52

Yeah, that's true, they're out of their jurisdiction.

Chrisy: 15:55

They're out of jurisdiction.

Kerry: 15:57

They can't police there because it's not their municipal Right.

Chrisy: 16:00

I have no power here. You're out of jurisdiction. I can't help you. I do think that if we continue to find it necessary to do this old mentality of funerals, that maybe there is an industry out there for people to start a business as wranglers, almost like a security. A bouncer, yeah, a bouncer. What would the bouncer be called at a funeral? I don't know. I don't know. We got to think about that.

Kerry: 16:25

I don't even want to try and come up with something quick here, because this one's going to take some thought.

Chrisy: 16:29

I don't want to waste this opportunity to come up with a doozy.

Kerry: 16:33

Yeah, so that kind of you know. I remember that. And then I remember going out to the cars and it was the same thing. There were people that were trying to like jockeying to get up further in the line and it's like, first of all, I'm like, ok, dude, we're literally where my my, my dad is buried at the church, had the cemetery, so you just like went around like it was like a quarter of a mile, but there are people jockeying. It's like, ok, dude, you're not going to get lost in line. You know we're not going to go through town or on the freeway that you have to worry about getting left behind. No, we're going around the corner. Why are you cutting the line to get first? What? Why In their car?

Chrisy: 17:09

In their car. Yes, yeah, the car thing is. First of all, I've heard many stories of people who have had issue with who is in the limo. Can you believe that they didn't even have so-and-so in the limo? Well, yeah, I could probably believe it. Yeah, depending on who you're talking about, but this is something. When you just lost someone.

Kerry: 17:35

Yes.

Chrisy: 17:36

You're wasting energy Right On. Who's in the limo? Have you never been in a limo before? I mean, this is what I'm thinking. Was this? You didn't go to prom, oh, this is what I'm thinking. Is this? Was this? You didn't go to prom, oh.

Kerry: 17:46

I see you didn't get married and have a limo.

Chrisy: 17:48

Is this your last chance of getting?

Kerry: 17:49

a limo? Yeah, because if it is boo hoo for you.

Chrisy: 17:52

Yeah, right, yeah, I mean the limo. The hierarchy of the key, of the seating in the funeral home.

Kerry: 18:01

the hierarchy of the seating in the church hierarchy, in the cars, in the line it's. I think they should pass out numbers. You know, like a lottery, the family gets first pick and from then on it's a lottery. There you go.

Chrisy: 18:12

Well, yeah, I mean, I think this would solve everybody's problem and there's probably a lot of people who go to funerals on a regular basis, probably kind of like that bingo mentality. But you bring more people in if they think that they can win a bingo, you know bingo who got the center. Anybody got bingo, yet you're in number spot number three.

Kerry: 18:34

Congrats to you, yeah uh, there's a, and your prize is one of the flowers from the funeral that and you can take a flower arrangement of your choice.

Chrisy: 18:44

yes, yeah, there's a story that used to float around of my father literally getting into a fistfight over a funeral situation, I guess Because of their car in line. No, no About the seating in the funeral home.

Kerry: 18:58

Oh, in the line.

Chrisy: 18:58

It's still cutting line. So my father, not always known as a calm gentleman all the time, could be a little hot-headed, of course. Love him for that Offered many hours of amusement. Whether horrified or not horrified, my understanding was that when my father's uncle passed away and my dad's father, my grandfather, was not well, this would have been my grandfather's brother who passed away. There was some sort of weird historical animosity or some sort of situation that is so far removed from me.

Chrisy: 19:28

I don't even know what it was exactly and I'd only be speculating and don't want to do that. But the widow of the uncle who passed away had some issue with my grandfather and my grandfather, I guess, was not in really good health at that time. They were basically had the family in their line, you know for to greet people at the funeral home. Well, they had my grandfather standing. They didn't offer him a chair. Oh and my father got very upset because he knew his dad was not in the best health.

Chrisy: 19:58

Yeah, and everybody else was sitting and my grandfather was not offered a chair and this caused fisticuffs. It came to ugliness this. I mean I was probably. I'm guessing. Either this gentleman passed away before I was born or I was very little, so I was not in this situation. But yeah, it was a whole fight at a funeral. Now fun for somebody who maybe just went to watch the drama.

Kerry: 20:22

The funeral crasher.

Chrisy: 20:23

Yeah, yeah, somebody who's like, let me see what's going on. This can be completely traumatic. Yes, for a family, because you're never going to forget a funeral and you certainly aren't going to forget a funeral where people were like brawling no exactly, but. I'm guessing this is not the first or the last funeral that anybody has a story about where people got into actual physical altercation. Probably not.

Kerry: 20:48

They probably also, and that's the thing the dysfunction probably started at a wedding years ago, or over a woman or a man Right, and so this has been a generational, lifelong thing. So we're going to start at fisticuffs. We're going to end fisticuffs.

Chrisy: 20:57

I hear you. Well, at least it comes full circle and has closure. There you go. They had closure. It's a good thing.

Kerry: 21:03

The other thing is what is the best way to tell somebody that somebody has passed? So I this again has many layers, there's lots of layers to this onion. Do you want to know by third party? You know somebody that you know passes away, but they don't tell you directly. They call your husband, your spouse or family member, whatever, or is it? Somebody passes away and they're very close to you. You make a phone call or do you send a text message, or do you just wait for them to read about it in the obituaries, like what's your thoughts? How do you want to know that somebody passed away? What would be offensive or what would be etiquette for you?

Chrisy: 21:38

Well, depending on who passed away and how close they are to me, but there are people and everybody has these type of people in their family who love to be the delivery system of horrible. Oh, that's true. And so those are probably going to be the ones that are going to reach out and let you know so and so passed away, and they're usually the same person, I guarantee.

Chrisy: 21:58

If any of you out there think about this when you've heard about somebody passing away whether close, probably in more circumstances, somebody who's not, that's somewhat close or maybe not close at all this is the delivery person with the information Personally, I suppose if I'm really close to the person who is sick and passing away, I'm generally nearby somehow or have been involved in the process while it was going on, so usually delivered by another family member if I wasn't there immediately at that time when it happened, or I'm there.

Kerry: 22:34

I think it definitely needs to be. If you're, if it's someone really close to you, very close to you, it needs to be somehow of a verbal communication, whether that's face to face, whether it's even a third party, hey, they talk to your spouse to tell you because they know that maybe you'll get so upset and they want to make sure your spouse finds you in a good like. You don't want to be driving, you know, and get a phone call. So they're going to call your spouse, say, hey, when you get home or whatever. You know, I want it to be, I want to hear a voice, I want to see either face to face or hear a voice, or a phone call, or face to face text message for somebody close Got a problem with that.

Chrisy: 23:09

That's got a problem. I have to admit I've not experienced that I have, but it's I have. That seems not so good.

Kerry: 23:17

Dad, dad passing away, even though I was only short down the road. It was a text message. I didn't realize how much that bothered me, but it bothers me Like yeah, couldn't pick up the phone and say hey, carrie, I'm sorry but you just missed it. Dad passed. No, it was a text message.

Chrisy: 23:30

Well, here's one thing I would say with that, If you are a person I had, well, I have my sister passed away and that's very difficult, yeah.

Kerry: 23:48

I was given a phone call by my brother-in-law and that was the way it was third party there.

Chrisy: 23:50

You go there, or no, that was one-on-one, right. Yeah, that's the way it should be.

Kerry: 23:52

I'll never forget that call because you never do right and that was the right thing to do.

Chrisy: 23:55

Right. And he gave me that.

Kerry: 23:57

That was his, that was kind it was, that was compassion.

Chrisy: 24:01

But now, if you have a heart and that takes a lot on his part right to be able to do that in that moment, because he just lost his wife Very much, right. So I think there are probably a lot of people who can't deliver that kind of information because they're just overcome with grief and I don't downplay that, I understand that. In that case, I think you need to maybe assign or ask another family member or somebody very close saying so, and so to call.

Kerry: 24:26

Right and family member or somebody very close saying so and you know to call right and see, and I this is the only thing that gives up. And again, going back to one of our episodes about I give people passes, remember, I said you're like.

Chrisy: 24:34

I have a feeling you're not giving a pass on this one, though, which I love you for well.

Kerry: 24:41

I think. Here you go. Well, I was. I was giving a pass and then I started thinking about it more and it was bothering me. But I am trying to, I'm trying to find compassion in my heart on it in defense of the family members that were involved with this. Obviously, we had a lot of text messaging going on, a lot of updates going on about the status and the whereabouts, because it was easier to communicate with all five of us at once because of this. So I feel like it led them into a false sense of security that it would be okay to do a text message. My problem is four of the five of us were there at the time. I was not, so four of them knew because they witnessed it firsthand. I was not there, and so that's where I feel like it would have been. One of them could have made the phone call.

Chrisy: 25:30

Somebody could have picked up a phone and called. Oh, I agree.

Kerry: 25:33

Especially because it was late at night. If I would have been literally 10 minutes later, I would have been asleep and very easily could have missed that text message. I would have hoped that if I, if that did happen, I would have then gotten a phone call hey, we didn't hear from you. We want to make you know. But I don't know, I can't speculate that what did or didn't happen in that situation. But I do know that I got a text message. It bothered me but I kept trying to give a pass about it. But then now I like no, that really bothers me and I think I have a right to be upset by that and I agree 100. But again, I'm trying. Well, I do, of course you do.

Chrisy: 26:10

Well, I mean in general you would yes, this isn't just some, yeah, like distant relative, or this is your father. So, yeah, I mean I, and again I guess maybe I'm trying to give a pass because I'm saying, look, sometimes people are so overcome with grief that's a hard horrible call to make it's hard. But then I think you need to reach out and say look, can you do this for me? Somebody will usually offer. Do you want me to call so-and-so and let them know.

Kerry: 26:34

So I guess that's what I'm hoping by our podcast today is. These are conversations we talked about this in one of the episodes about preparing for the future. You know, letting your family know your wishes or whatever. I am letting you know that if you are very close to me, I want that one-on-one phone call to know about it if that person has passed away. And if it's, you know again, like we. You know, this distant cousin passed away. I got a text message about that, perfectly appropriate. I didn't know. I have a daily relationship with this person. I am sorry for the loss. It does sadden me. That text message was appropriate. Inner circle maybe not so much.

Chrisy: 27:09

Right.

Kerry: 27:09

No, but Agree, wow. Well, I think we tidied up this episode on part two, episode on funerals, pretty well.

Chrisy: 27:16

Yeah, why did we have to give.

Kerry: 27:31

Because we had so much content, I know, but, uh, cocktails later, dirty martini, I know, but I think it's good. We talk about a lot of different things here. We, we really go the range of subjects and everything, and sometimes we get deep and heavy, and sometimes it's light-hearted and passing fun, and these last two episodes may have been a little deep and heavy, but I think it's it's. It's all about life, it's all about the dysfunctions of life, and this is our safe place where we talk about things. Yes, we do.

Chrisy: 27:46

So, everybody, there is still life, there is still sunshine and we will be coming at you with some more funny stuff, I promise yes absolutely.

Kerry: 27:57

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