Our Spooky Dysfunction: Is That Your Dead Relative or Just a Random Spirit Passing Through?

Our Spooky Dysfunction: Is That Your Dead Relative or Just a Random Spirit Passing Through? What happens when a steadfast believer in the paranormal sits down with a committed skeptic? In this thought-provoking episode, Chrissy and Kerry navigate the complex terrain of ghosts, psychics, and signs from beyond—revealing how deeply personal these beliefs truly are.

Chapters

• 0:00 Birthday Greetings and Episode Introduction
• 2:52 Growing Up with a Normalized Ghost
• 8:04 Psychics, Religion, and Skepticism
• 14:45 Signs, Symbols, and the Number 57
• 21:36 Reincarnation and Soul Connections
• 24:22 Bird Events and Personal Experiences
• 30:10 Finding Comfort vs. Reopening Loss

Transcript

DJ Nick: 0:07

Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast. We may not have seen it all, but we've seen enough. And now here are your hosts, Chrisy and Kerry.

Kerry: 0:21

Hello Junkies and, most importantly, happy birthday to you.

Chrisy: 0:27

It's after my birthday, I know it is Thank.

Kerry: 0:29

God, but I wasn't allowed to say it beforehand. I'm Keri and this is Chrissy's birthday week. Yeah, I'm.

Chrisy: 0:39

Chrissy, we're going to have a whole week. No, no, I don't do whole weeks or whole months or anything.

Kerry: 0:45

I'm lucky to do a whole day. Well, we're 24 hours post Chrissy's birthday, so I wasn't allowed to say it last week, because Chrissy's rule of birthdays is you can't celebrate before, so I'm celebrating it now. Of course, I did acknowledge it yesterday for you on your actual birthday, but I am publicly saying happy birthday girl. Thank you, you're welcome. So I thought that this was a great way to lead into today's episode also.

Chrisy: 1:13

Why is that?

Kerry: 1:17

Because you know birthdays, family signs and symbols, psychic superstitions. We're going to talk about the whole gamut. So what do you think about all that? Chrissy, chrissy go, no, you don't really want me to go. Chrissy's amped up. She is excited for this episode.

Chrisy: 1:36

I'm trying to bring it down a little bit. It's a hard topic for me in the fact that I don't want to Well, I try to say I don't want to come off badly, and yet I do constantly. You would say, well, if you don't want to come off badly, wouldn't you like try to work at not coming off badly? I guess what I'm trying to do is tell you don't be offended by what I'm about to say. It's your problem, not mine. There you go.

Kerry: 2:09

I'm not going to change how I am. This is our safe space. Chrissy, you are allowed to say what you want. We have big, broad shoulders and this is our safe space, so please do it is okay. Actually, Chrissy's words before we started this was I'm definitely going to hell.

Chrisy: 2:20

Yes, or at least make some people and my intention is not to make anybody feel bad. This is a topic which I think does separate people a lot. Yeah, because I think people do have like definite strong feelings about this one way or the other.

Kerry: 2:36

Right, exactly, yeah, and this is one where you and I are kind of polar opposites on our beliefs of ghosts or psychics, or signs and symbols.

Chrisy: 2:47

I do, kind of I've had personal experience with something that's not been of this earth, right In my opinion, yeah, but the psychic thing maybe, because it's not completely firsthand when you, when you experience something weird where it doesn't seem like it's right, like maybe you're you feel like there's another presence somewhere near you.

Chrisy: 3:06

Yes, it's, it's you and that feeling that you're getting. But now when you bring in the psychic, yeah, it's somebody who's trying to sort of translate from one world to the next. And I don't, I do, I'm going to come right out, I don't. I don't believe in it personally. It's not what I believe in.

Kerry: 3:26

I definitely feel like there is more than what is physically here that we can see. So I do believe. I do believe in ghost, I do believe in we grew up with one. Well, that that's part of why I did I, the house that I grew up in we had a ghost, did he at least help with?

Chrisy: 3:46

like the mortgage.

Kerry: 3:47

No, and you know that was an squatter. This is the one thing in our family that we squatter. This is the one thing in our family that we didn't. We were not our normal selves, like normally. Like you know, we don't talk about things. We talked about the ghost. We normalize the ghost in our house Like it was. It was, it was talked about. It was like, oh, if we heard somebody walking upstairs, oh, that's just the ghost. And it was only until the later years that my sisters and I kind of named the ghost, which I think I'll keep the name nameless right now. But yeah, we, it was totally normalized having a ghost in our house.

Chrisy: 4:25

Yeah, Everybody was on board with this, pretty much. Yeah, my father would have told me to get the hell out of there. There's nothing in here, just get out of my ear. My show is coming back on. I heard something.

Kerry: 4:39

No, yeah, so it was very normalized and you know there's a lot of people that don't believe in this, and if you don't believe me, that's fine, it's OK, I know my truth, ok, yes, my experiences there are definitely very strong and there's been other times where I've had experiences where that things were present or, you know, experience them. That, yeah, I definitely believe in the afterlife and ghost. Yes, 100 percent. So therefore, yes, I do believe in psychics. I do think there's a lot of fakes, I do think there's a lot of people that are ripping people off, but I'm 100 percent believe that there are truly people that are gifted that can translate that world.

Chrisy: 5:26

Wow, go, chrissy, go, I can see it on your face um well, you know, a few episodes ago I I bought my ticket to hell, yes, and now I'm buying first class to hell with this and I'm going to say, hey, me, as you know, lousy at religion, yes, get it wrong a lot. Unless it's a movie that I'm getting my information from generally doesn't translate my brain real well. And ten commandments, yeah, that list they give you yes is that just catholics, or does other religions have commandments?

Chrisy: 6:02

I don't even know. I'm so sorry, it's not just.

Kerry: 6:06

Catholic. Well, because it's Old Testament. It's Old Testament, it's Christian. There's a lot of other yeah, so yeah.

Chrisy: 6:11

But if it's Old Testament, are you allowed to say Christian, because that's prior to Christ? I guess that's prior to Christ, right yeah?

Kerry: 6:16

So, yeah, there's a lot Okay yeah, of religion, Religion.

Chrisy: 6:21

And I just realized. I was just informed that every one of those commandments is assigned a number and it doesn't deviate Like I just thought it was a list, so sometimes they fall in different order. I was just apprised of the fact that each one of them is assigned that number and does not change. It does not change Like all of a sudden number one's, all of a sudden number eight.

DJ Nick: 6:42

On the list or something.

Kerry: 6:43

Right so.

Chrisy: 6:44

I was told that the way I feel about this and you're like, you're such a hypocrite Like you don't even follow. There's nobody quoting this quote list of commandments for, but I seem to recall that and it's.

Kerry: 6:56

I was told it was number one on the list okay thou shall have no false gods before me yes, and commandment number one top oh, the list so I always you actually got your ticket to heaven no, no because

Chrisy: 7:13

I'm about to lose it again, so yeah, and to me believing that somebody can perform, in my opinion, what seems to be something only designated for God Okay, to be able to translate those worlds. It seems wrong that if you're a very religious person, you would believe in this type of thing. Religious person, you would believe in this type of thing. But, as my husband has pointed out, it has been people who are of very strong faith that seem to really believe in this and have had experience, and, in their opinion, a positive experience, with this type of thing. You know, going to a psychic.

Kerry: 7:54

Well, I can say that in my personal experiences, I mostly have had good experiences when I've had encounters with the afterlife, but I've also had a very negative, bad experience. So I do believe that you have to be very careful on this subject because just as there are good ghosts, there's not so good, there's demonic or not so nice ghost, and so you do have it's a very fine lines, yeah, but I can see, I can see your thought where you're going on this, the commandments thing.

Chrisy: 8:32

Well, now I'm going on the fact that you're going to this thing.

Kerry: 9:01

You're sitting with this person. They're trying to do a reading for you or bring forth people loved. That's very popular on TV that was holding a Coliseum event. Okay, but that was it. I've never gone to one personally, or whatever, because I do think that there's that very fine line of you could be calling the wrong and if they don't know what they're line of, you could be calling the wrong and if they don't know what they're doing, you could be calling the wrong thing. Stop off at the psychic hut on the side of the road. No, in the 24-hour neon sign. You know psychic. Call this number.

Chrisy: 9:25

No they all have a sign like that. I know they do isn't it crazy?

Kerry: 9:28

there's an industry for that, but I very much do believe that, um, our loved ones especially are with, and I do think that they're always sending signs and symbols. For instance, for me there's a couple things that are telltales, and my husband always doesn't believe in this either, but lately he's starting to see, like maybe there is something to this. The number 57. The number 57 was something that was kind of my mom. That was always something that was somebody was always sending that sign to her, and then it's kind of started translating to me. And now, especially since my mom has passed, I've definitely been seeing 57 a lot more, and it could be random things, but it'll just pop up and it's like, oh, I just feel like that's mom's way of saying hello to me or helping me know that we're on the right path. So it could be something totally. What was something recent that the 57 dropped stopped up on? Oh, I was when I was booking hotel reservations for mom's funeral. Almost all of the hotel reservations had 57 in them. I mean it's all. You mean like 5760112 or whatever was the reservation number, and all of the reservations had 57. They start like that or had a 57 in it and that's just random. Oh, another really good one Our friends with the plane.

Kerry: 10:46

They fly privately. So you know, when you fly commercially, you have flight numbers. You know so, oh, you're on Southwest, you know 718 or whatever flight number. Well, when they fly privately, you know 718 or whatever flight number. Well, when they fly privately, they get what's called a squat code, so it's basically like the little flight number. So the air traffic controllers know, almost every time we fly, 57 shows up and they're like that's so weird, we don't hardly ever. In fact, the very first time it was 5757 showed up on there because I was really nervous the first time we flow with them, because I was like, oh, this is safe and whatever. And then that 5757 showed up and I'm like, oh, I'm good, someone's looking out for us, yeah, okay.

Chrisy: 11:23

I, I'm so the face you're giving me. Okay, chrissy, go well. The one thing that really was freaking me out was the fact that you said that not only can you connect with a soul, that means something to you. That is a good soul or spirit you're conjuring in like people, could it's that's terrifying.

Kerry: 11:45

It is terrifying, so I have to be very careful.

Chrisy: 11:47

Well, what made these people bad like? Is it charles manson coming through? Or I'm like who, where does their background and how did they sneak in on your time? I'd almost be angry. I'd be like, look, I'm paying for this, I don't have time for you. Shh, get out of here. Mr White-Faced Blood-Dripping-From-Mouth. I keep seeing that flash from the Exorcist. Hello, there you go. Anybody remember that crazy face that popped up on the screen all of a sudden? I do. Natalie does. Natalie does Fingers.

Kerry: 12:24

Fingers will tell you about it. So, yeah, you've got a lot on your list over there, chrissy. Well, but see, I think this is all part of our dysfunction in our lives. I mean, like you know, some of these, some people, rule their life by this every decision they make they'll go to a psychic or every whatever you know.

Chrisy: 12:43

And yeah, boy you gotta have a lot of lousy people in your family. Nobody can give you good advice. You're digging up. People have probably been gone for who knows how long. They can't even flip and understand what your world looks like. Now, you know, should I not do the internet for this? And then somebody would die, like 50 years ago?

DJ Nick: 13:02

What? Now?

Chrisy: 13:02

there's an explanation, that's required.

DJ Nick: 13:04

Well, what's the?

Chrisy: 13:05

internet. Before I can give you advice on this, I need to give me some backstory. So one thing on my list is how is there comfort? Yeah, maybe you're getting a comfort in the moment that you feel that this person definitely, and it's somebody who you loved tremendously, yeah, so in that moment you're getting comfort, knowing that you're getting in some way time again with them, an extension of time. Everybody says, if I had it, if I had five more minutes with you, I would give this up. Right, but wouldn't it after the fact, wouldn't that reality of I was with them for this little bit of time they came through, but then it wouldn't it be like another takeaway, like you're the loss is there again. And why would you want to put yourself through that? Yeah, because it is like it's a loss again. They're gone.

Kerry: 13:59

I see your point, I do see your point in that, but I think it just depends on how, and maybe for some people that's very true that it's like trauma response, where then they're going to go relive that. But for me it's, it's always comforting. It's always like when I, when these little signs or symbols show up, like one of the other ones is a dragonfly. You know, my husband has somebody that had passed away, and him and his sister, when they see a dragonfly it's to them a representative of that person. And it's just so odd because we've been together at times in a time of year where dragonflies are not like in season, and all of a sudden a dragonfly shows up and it's just comforting, it's like, oh, that person's here with us and it's kind of like it just brings comfort, it brings, it brings a like a warm, blanket feeling on you, so and it doesn't cause that recycling, that loss. But again, I could see where it depends on the person.

Chrisy: 14:57

So when you say things like that and you're receiving, you gain comfort from this. Yes, it makes me feel and look even worse, the fact that I just totally don't. I don't get it. How about actually summoning random people that you don't even know, like, how do you handle that? Like you're at a psychiater, you paid for it, and like, uh, somebody accidentally comes in on the wavelength or what, however they're, they're shuffling through you're, you're.

Kerry: 15:25

That sounds like something you got from one of your movies oh, I'm sure it is that whoopee goldberg movie.

Chrisy: 15:31

Well, talk about yeah, really, let's talk about this just for real, because there's some movies that really touch on this where the this poor guy, he was shot or he was shot right yeah, he killed, he was murdered. Yeah, we're talking about which is even harder now because the gentleman who played the lead. It was one thing to watch this and it was a tearjerker as it was, but now he is a ghost he is deceased now and everybody loved the.

Chrisy: 15:59

You know Patrick Swayze was wonderful and you know, but he can't go. Who decided this for him? You cannot go to the good place. Because now you got your dopey girlfriend doesn't see that you know she's obviously, you know, not able to look out for herself. You got to hang around and make know she's obviously, you know, not able to look look out for herself. Uh, you got, you got to hang around and make sure she's okay. And then whoopi goldberg, I don't know, I really I'm bothered at the fact she got her oscar for that, because she really deserved the oscar for the color purple.

Chrisy: 16:31

I mean, the oscar thing is like it, you have to take it with the grain you do because they just like totally pass over you for like legitimate stuff and then they just toss it at you because they're just like. You know what we just got to do this, throw you a bone. Right, people are starting to catch on that. We're just full of it.

Kerry: 16:46

But yeah, the random people thing I don't ever think about because I feel like there's. If someone's going to come to you, there's a purpose. So I don't. I've never thought about, but I also. I'm not. Like I said, I'm not trying to conjure people, I'm just they come, I know, chrissy chrissy, this is good.

Chrisy: 17:03

This just seems so exhausting because you're walking around dealing with people who are still here walking around causing dysfunction in our lives, dysfunction annoying the hell out of you driving too slow walking, walking too slow.

Chrisy: 17:18

I remember you said that was a thing. Yeah, slow walkers, you know, being quiet, I had a thing with quiet people and now you're like You're just like doubling up on your idiot people, the ones that were gone, and then they could just be random people who you never even had to deal with in the first place. Now you got a whole list of other crappy people. You know I yeah, I wish we were on video for this.

Chrisy: 17:45

I'm like holding my head oh, it's just, I don't know, know, I don't, I don't understand it. I don't know how to feel about this. I am having so much trouble. You're having a lot, right I?

Kerry: 17:59

see, I've. Usually I'm the one with a physical reaction. Right now, chrissy's totally the one with the physical reactions.

Chrisy: 18:05

She's clasping her chest, she's scratching her head and I just know people and I just feel horrible because and believe me, you know me you're not going to take, you don't give a crap what I think about this. I have an opinion on it, obviously, and you have an experience with it that has helped you, yeah, so how? Again, this is why I'm a horrible person. How can I take that away from you? You're not Well. You you're not well. I hope not. Oh no, I mean because there's other ways. I'd rather totally destroy and annihilate you.

Kerry: 18:37

This is not one of them I mean I'm gonna get said with words of love if I'm gonna try and totally humiliate and go at you.

Chrisy: 18:46

It's not gonna be over your need to feel like you connected with something that is a loss for you?

Kerry: 18:52

No, no, I'm very strong in my, obviously very strong in my opinions. I have grown from our family not talking about things. I talk about things. I don't take other people's opinions or their. If they think differently than me, that's fine, I can respect it. I know this is my experience. Think differently than me, that's fine, I can respect it. I know this is my experience. My experiences is accumulation of all the dysfunction in my life, all the good things that have happened in my life, all the good people in my life and, unfortunately, even the bad people in my life. So you will not take away from me by having your opposite opinion. So I'm good, we're good. Well generally.

Chrisy: 19:27

I feel like maybe I take that for granted. I would hope that most people know me, yeah, and know how I go to the extreme with a lot of the way. I think I hope you look at me and say, well, that's her problem, which it is. And that's more of it has to do with me than you, so maybe I don't want to be ignored.

Kerry: 19:47

Well, God, no, To quote somebody.

Chrisy: 19:49

I will not be ignored. Name the movie Fatal Attraction. Glenn Close Was his name, daniel, I think. Anyway, I will not be ignored, but I guess, on the other end of that being a hypocrite, ignore me if you're feeling offended so you can move on and I don't get blamed for how I've made you feel.

Kerry: 20:11

Yeah, no, I mean, I really do try to be open to other. Obviously, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I don't want to offend people, but at the same time people are so easily offended that it's like you know, you can't. You can't appease everybody. I'm living my life. These are my opinions. I try not to push them on other people, but certainly when we're having conversations like this, I will share. So I guess I am definitely a firm believer in the afterlife and ghosts. I do believe in signs and symbols, yes.

Chrisy: 20:42

So well, let me ask you this, and maybe this would be a future episode, so we don't have to touch on it too much. Yeah, but in talking with this, somehow this comes up in my mind too. If you feel like you have an experience with psychics, what is your thoughts on reincarnation?

Kerry: 20:58

it's probably against my religion to have this thought now we're being a little bit hypocritical.

Chrisy: 21:05

Okay, but this is why yeah so Ten Commandments doesn't say thou shall not believe one with someone else prior to being this person now.

Kerry: 21:15

But they do say you should not believe in things that are godlike prior to the one and only I personally feel like our souls are everlasting and so that you know when they say you have a soulmate, you know like I, there's no doubt in my mind, 100 percent Jim and I are soulmates. Like I think we've been connected in lives before, I think we'll be connected in lives after.

Chrisy: 21:38

But doesn't that make a definition for reincarnation? Your souls did cross paths in another life.

Kerry: 21:45

Yes, therefore, reincarnation Right. So yes, but I'm not necessarily thinking that I'm gonna be like I was, or a tree before, and then next time I'm gonna be a frog.

Chrisy: 21:56

You know like, I'm not thinking like that but isn't that pretty crappy for the frogs and the trees?

DJ Nick: 22:01

out there that they will always be a frog or a tree.

Chrisy: 22:06

They never can like move up, you know, and and our task is good we not become something better?

Kerry: 22:13

You know what this is reminding me of, when we talked about superstitions in our episode and you said this is funny. You're asking me these rules and I know the answers, but I've never. You know I'm thinking the same thing, like okay, wait, what are the rules of this? Like I never really gave this thought. So there's nothing bad about being a tree or a frog. Have you ever been one?

Chrisy: 22:31

No, but think about it.

Kerry: 22:39

Doesn't sound like a good time to me, but maybe there's some enlightenment there that I'm not clicking into, you know, and it also doesn't make sense, as I just said, referencing, yeah, see. That rule doesn't work because I was just saying that when we see a dragonfly or a butterfly or whatever that reminds us that's Now see, that doesn't mean that person is in there. That just means that that's a representation that we physically can see. That's embodied that person Doesn't mean that they're now eternally a dragonfly. I'll help you out with this one.

Chrisy: 23:02

Yeah, and don't say I didn't ever give you anything. Carry your folder. No, I'm going to say in you saying that you don't believe that that person is now a dragonfly, right, but what I think you might be trying to say and just go with this. If you're not, is that that person who you're thinking of sent that?

Kerry: 23:21

that's what I'm trying to say. Oh yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you're trying to say I got you I got you, babe.

Chrisy: 23:26

I thought you were gonna do another password I know I there is no password.

Chrisy: 23:31

Dragon fly. Carrie says Password of the day is dragon fly. Password of the day is dragon fly. If Carrie actually sees a dragon fly, then that's the password. Yeah, you know what Did? I touch on this in the superstition one. Now you're talking about dragon flies and stuff showing up and again, I don't know where this came from. And I don't know where this came from and I don't remember anybody ever telling me this If a bird shows up in a place where it shouldn't be, like it's hanging out somewhere you don't want it, all right, like it's annoying you and it like decided to nest on your gutter and you're afraid when you come out it's going to attack you.

Chrisy: 24:06

Okay, and just shows up there and won't leave. It brings bad luck. So I get very freaked out when I see certain critters in a place where they don't belong Birds, possum, just all of a sudden strolling up out of nowhere. I freak out. I'm like, oh my God, it's bringing something bad, something wicked. This way comes. I'm referencing actually literature, I believe. Is that not a book One for me? English literature major. My husband got upset because when Princess Diana passed away, we were sitting on the porch at my parents' house.

DJ Nick: 24:44

We did not know she had passed away because it was Paris time.

Chrisy: 24:47

Yeah, we were not informed yet this had happened. Okay, but about the time it happened, we were sitting on the porch and we witnessed a bird event. A bird event, it was a bird event and we were like, oh my gosh, it was a bunch of morning doves swarming in the sky. All of a sudden, and it was just around that time that she probably would have passed away, and it was nuts. We never seen it before or after. Yeah, my husband said there are a lot of bugs in the air and they were feeding in that area. So he's totally not believing. I don't know that. I believe that that was a sign of what had occurred. I mean, I understand princess diana was important to a lot of people and, yeah, I mean I loved her, you know, come on uh you know, right, I'm american.

Chrisy: 25:35

Why wouldn't I love a british princess?

Kerry: 25:37

of course, nick's scooting in here.

DJ Nick: 25:39

I feel like he has something he wants to add so I think, because they were, the birds were swarming and they were feeding, and it was about at the same time as when, probably, princess diana had gotten to the car accident. So chrissy always attributes that to her, which is funny because you know she doesn't want to believe in the psychic but right well, it's the same as the superstitions, yeah so, yeah, well, because now see, there's no third party involved in this.

Chrisy: 26:06

So it's my personal first experience. There's no other person, these are creatures occurring and I am a firsthand witness to this, you having to be there and sit there and tell me that so-and-so has now come through or connected with me and I need to share with you what they're trying to tell me.

DJ Nick: 26:28

For you that's an interference, but if you're experiencing firsthand, I'm with you on the psychic thing, because I have a hard time believing in that.

Chrisy: 26:35

Yeah.

DJ Nick: 26:36

You lose me on these other things about.

Chrisy: 26:38

He says that and he gets very upset, because I worked for a museum in the Youngstown area for a while and I was totally getting bad vibes working there. I was freaked out because I really felt like something. I never saw anything. I did hear what appeared to sound like footsteps.

Chrisy: 26:53

I believe coming up steps of this museum and I was working upstairs on the top level and I was like, oh good, so, and so's here. It was a day when the museum was kind of empty, it wasn't open for tours or anything, and I had just gone there I had an internship there. I was trying to do and I heard footsteps clear as a day coming up the steps and I was like, oh good, so, and so's coming up, you know, and it was like the steps were lasted way longer than I knew they were and then nobody showed up and I totally freaked out. So I went like first, I went down to the second level and I was like everything's dark, nothing here, first level, walk through this whole place, nothing and then I was an idiot.

Chrisy: 27:30

I went. Well, the basement was set up for more uh stuff, so it wasn't like you're going into a dark, dank basement, it was actually somewhere where people would go and look at stuff and nobody there.

Chrisy: 27:40

I totally freaked out and I like grabbed my bag and I like ran. I ran past the one other part where like all the office and like the director and stuff for the museum were in there and I think what was funny to them is they actually saw me like leave in a hurry and I get in my car. I didn't come back, see, so there's a little, but it was a feeling that's what I experienced and it was firsthand again yeah this was just me and this experience.

Chrisy: 28:06

but, nick, you're crapping all over this, but you did have one experience that you felt and and it made you sit straight up. It was in the middle of the night. Go ahead and share it at your experience. Dj Nick, he doesn't even remember. He's looking at you like what Nick go.

DJ Nick: 28:22

I thought I heard something.

Chrisy: 28:24

No, it was more than that you encountered a sensation of smell. Oh yeah, Smells are definitely there so I.

DJ Nick: 28:32

I smelled what I thought was a perfume my mom used to wear. Oh, but see how you and this is where I'm actually- smells like that qualifies so.

DJ Nick: 28:44

But this is where I'm similar to chrissy. Whereas you say, those things give you comfort, when I did do that, it doesn't give me comfort because my mother was gone, right, and it just see me. It just it brought back, I guess, a feeling of you know she's not here anymore, right. So I'm glad that it works for you and it gives you comfort, right? I'm actually closely aligned for once with my wife a lot of times. If I were in that, really, I think that's the only time I ever remember that.

Kerry: 29:12

Yeah, well, I think I can see that because you know, it's kind of like how, how do you say you know how, like, when you eat certain things it's a comfort food, you know. So it brings oh you, it brings back memories. It's invoking a memory, so I could see where some of those experiences are evoking a memory as opposed to helping give you peace and answers for validation or something is maybe what I'm trying to think of.

Chrisy: 29:37

It's personal to everybody that's a healthier point of view would be and none of us, I'm guilty of this, everybody's but when the healthier thing be to come to an understanding that there's a lot of things in this life and in this world that you're never going to have an answer to.

Kerry: 29:52

Oh, 100%. I think that's probably why a lot of this is where we are trying to make answers for ourselves.

Chrisy: 29:57

Right. We can't accept the fact that there's no answer.

Kerry: 29:59

Right, exactly so.

Chrisy: 30:01

But yeah, this is interesting, I think maybe this might be something we can come to later on too.

Kerry: 30:06

Yes, I think so Absolutely, but it was fun to start diving down this rabbit hole. Yeah, totally dysfunctional. But what I want to know is what encounters other people have had or what their side of the story is. Are you on Chrissy's line and Nick's line on this? Are you more like me? Do you find comfort in it, or do you believe in it, not believe in it, or have you had experiences?

Chrisy: 30:28

I would love to hear that from all of you, me too, and I am open to both sides.

Kerry: 30:31

Yeah, absolutely yeah absolutely, and again, we are not licensed therapists. This is just our personal opinion on these things, our feelings on this. So, yes, as we dive down these, these things that help drive us in our lives. So, anyways, it was great listening or talking to all of you guys. Hope you enjoyed listening to us and we'll see you next week. Bye.