When Education Leaves Scars: The Movies and Books That Shaped Our Young Minds

When did classroom education cross the line into psychological trauma? Chrisy and Kerry take us on a journey through their Catholic high school experiences that left lasting scars decades later. What's most striking is how these educational traumas continue to resurface decades later. As parents themselves now, Chrisy and Kerry wonder: has education evolved? Are today's students still being exposed to similarly disturbing content, or have we developed more thoughtful approaches to challenging material?

Join us for this thought-provoking episode that will have you reflecting on your own educational experiences and questioning how they shaped your worldview. 

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and School Trauma
• 5:43 The Bridge Operator Film
• 11:17 Nuclear War Movies in Class
• 18:56 Literature That Traumatized Us
• 27:19 To Kill a Mockingbird Debate
• 32:30 Closing Thoughts and Social Media

Transcript

DJ Nick: 0:07

Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast. We may not have seen it all, but we've seen enough. And now here are your hosts, chrisy and Kerry.

Kerry: 0:20

Hello Junkies, I'm Kerry and

Chrisy: 0:23

I'm Chrisy.

Kerry: 0:24

Welcome to our show today. Today's show is all about Chrissy ... go.

Chrisy: 0:31

Kerry first initially said didn't we already cover some of this? Because we did, If you go back and listen. We did do an episode about traumatic TV movies and shows. That sort of stuck with me specifically because I was sitting in front of the television so much. But this episode is about stuff that our educators chose to traumatize us with meaning some crazy educational movie in school and those lovely books that we read in school.

Kerry: 1:07

I think some of these books. They might be banned now, aren't they?

Chrisy: 1:11

Are they?

Kerry: 1:11

really, I don't know. I feel like they might be and I feel like some of these shows, like I could see where today they'd be, like you ain't showing our kids that I don't know. Well, we'll let listeners decide after they hear today's episode.

Chrisy: 1:25

These are now when I brought this first thing up that we, I was exposed to and we went to a Catholic high school and we had a class our sophomore year, because when you go to a Catholic high school, you are required to take religion. Yes, that's not pushed on us, that's just the understanding.

Kerry: 1:42

And they talk about, they teach about other religions.

Chrisy: 1:45

It's not just about catholic they go through a lot of different religions and explain what different religions and so yes, I never got the feeling from any of our religion courses that it was promoting catholicism without recognizing that there are other people and other beliefs.

Kerry: 2:02

So we.

Chrisy: 2:03

I think they really did a good job making sure that we were open minded.

Kerry: 2:07

Well-rounded. Yes, we had options.

Chrisy: 2:09

Yes, yes, so it was never about saying this religion is good and that's bad, so, but they now what I was going to ask you, though do you remember seeing this? Because I feel like you don't really remember it. I don't really remember it?

Kerry: 2:22

I don't really remember it. I wonder if you were absent that day, although I generally don't think you were ever really absent. I really wasn't absent much, but I was sometimes pulled out of classes, like, for instance, I did that one class where we, for our religion credits, we went out to the community and we served at places.

Chrisy: 2:40

Oh, okay.

Kerry: 2:41

So I would be gone for like like two periods because we would go to a nursing home and we would talk to the people and visit with the people, or we went to a preschool and we helped with the kids, or we went to Easterseals and help with the Alzheimer patients. So I feel like this class was the class that you were in, but I was in one of the other programs doing service projects or something, but this almost sounds like the morality class.

Chrisy: 3:06

It was the morality, Was the morality class which I did take morality.

Kerry: 3:09

But I don't. Maybe I was. Maybe this is the day I was reading in the doctor's office in pain, the one day I missed school and you know I don't want to think about that for you at all.

Chrisy: 3:19

Well, I am fascinated for a future episode we need to talk about I'm not going to spend too much time on it this lovely thing you were chosen for, how come they didn't say hey, chrissy, do you want to go and make preschoolers feel better about things? They weren't looking at me for that. You didn't do the service project. You didn't do that. I hate to say it.

Kerry: 3:38

I didn't even know leave for two or three quarters. It was for one semester or I think it was one, I think it was half the year and we would leave and we would go do service projects and and we every like four days a week we went to four different places and then the last day of the week we would talk about whatever and we all went to different places. So there'd be like four of us and we would go there. And so yeah, I know the nursing home, the, the Alzheimer's Center, the daycare and Easter Seals were the four places I went to.

Chrisy: 4:08

Those are all very wonderful causes. Yes, I'm just bummed. Well, I'm not, I'm not, and not about not going to the places, right? But if you would have asked me, they obviously knew what they were doing when they chose people to do that. Because I'm just going to and I'm being honest here, I've probably been like eh move on.

Kerry: 4:28

They probably knew that you would have been smoking in the car or putting your makeup on.

Chrisy: 4:43

Probably going to your nursing home and being like sitting down with grandma here and being like grandma. Give me one of them, Newports, Applaud you and applaud that our alma mater had a program like that yes, awesome.

Kerry: 4:50

But I so I don't really remember this movie personally watching it, but when you talk about it I do kind of remember it. So I think I remember because kids talked about it. I don't well, I did not watch it Either.

Chrisy: 5:01

I think you were two types. You talked about it because you were horrified or you didn't talk about it because you were horrified.

Kerry: 5:08

Because you grew up either not talking about things, because your family didn't talk about things you were horrified about, or you normalized it, so you talked about it.

Chrisy: 5:16

Right, and just to tell you my own personal experience, I didn't talk about this for a long time. Really, it was that traumatic.

Kerry: 5:23

It was, it is. We need to tell about this because we've been talking around it.

Chrisy: 5:28

So tell them the premise of this movie. This movie that they showed is immorality. My husband was kind enough to help research this, because I didn't even want to Google it, because I don't want anything like this popping up on my phone. The movie we're pretty sure was called the and it was based off of a book. Am I correct? Yes, To sacrifice his son, an allegory. Okay, and Carrie, go Talk about the religion part of this. My husband touched on it, but I'm going to leave it. You seem to have a good handle.

Kerry: 6:00

I don't mean to put you on the spot, but can you just do a quick touch on what you were saying? Yes, so, when DJ Nick was explaining about this movie, it goes back to the Bible Genesis story of Abraham and God asking Abraham to kill his only son. And so Abraham, you know, has to make this decision. Does he kill his only son? And or, you know, for his love of God? And so he takes his son up to the mountain, and he was, you know, going to as much as it was killing him to kill his son. He was going to do that to show God his obedience and devotion. And at the last minute, the angels stop him and say you know, don't kill your son, you clearly show your dedication to God. And at that moment a ram was tangled in the bush, so he suddenly had something else to offer as a sacrifice to god.

Chrisy: 6:43

So, oh my god again, this is what you say. It's horrible enough to think about. You're gonna. You've been asked to do this to your child. I know but then this poor the brain, wasn't it got stuck? It was collateral damage but, uh, you know what I'm gonna focus on this story? Focus on the story, okay, focus on the story, okay, focus, real quick. This is what it was about. Yes, so it opens. And remember this is like the mid to late 70s, yeah, so.

Kerry: 7:10

That the movie was made. That the movie was made. We saw it in the late 80s.

Chrisy: 7:14

Yeah, in, yeah Well, yeah, no, late 80s, you're right, 88. So it was like present day type thing for when it was filmed and you see a family in a kitchen Mother mother is pregnant, father and a little boy at the table, probably maybe two years old, three years old, and it's very nice opening. They're having breakfast, dad's getting ready to go to work. You know, mom makes breakfast for everybody. They have a quick sit down and then dad leaves to go to work. So we see dad go off to work. They have a quick sit down and then dad leaves to go to work. So we see dad go off to work and soon we realize that dad's job is.

Kerry: 7:53

He works as a. What is this job? A conductor, a bridge?

Chrisy: 7:55

operator, Bridge operator for the train to cross over this very large gully. So he's at work and we hear a train coming. This is where it gets bad people. And okay, where is this going? Well, then we see a little figure walking along the tracks and soon we realize it's this man's little boy. And now the decision has to be made Do you sacrifice your child to save all the people on the train? The man's decision is he sacrifices his son. That's horrible and we have to watch the pain on this man's face after he makes that decision. I'm glad I didn't watch.

Chrisy: 8:49

I'm glad I didn't have your class but you, you had to have it, but you, just like I said, you were lucky enough to maybe get pulled and go to do some lovely, maybe public service you know, or maybe, maybe I did watch it and I was so traumatized I've blocked it. I couldn't. Maybe it's a repressed memory and, like I said, I didn't talk about this for years.

Chrisy: 9:09

just recently and so after we watched the movie, we were tasked with coming together as a class and discussing, basically justifying why this man made that decision, and why, it was the right decision, justifying why this man made that decision and why it was the right decision.

Chrisy: 9:25

And so some people said well, his wife was pregnant, so he was going to have another child, or the fact that it was about saving hundreds of lives over one life Wow, it's a dark place to go. And when you're 16 years old, it was just hard place to go. And when you're 16 years old, that's horrible. It was just hard. So I guess I would have to say I'm not exactly sure it made me feel closer to God or made me question my moral decisions any better or worse.

Chrisy: 9:54

I'm not exactly sure back then what the educational decision was to have this as part of your class.

Kerry: 10:02

I wonder if our parents had to sign something that we were. I don't think so. I don't know. We didn't do that back then.

Chrisy: 10:08

I don't think did they. I don't know, I mean our parents weren't really involved anymore and I don't think back then, just the thought process wasn't anything that they felt. You were going to school, yeah, and you were learning and that's what you were expected to do, so so that is very traumatic it was traumatizing, that was traumatizing.

Chrisy: 10:27

So the other thing was I remember doing it seemed like 10th grade was just really hard on us, really, because we read, not that this was hard, this is a book that is important to history and everything else. And again, if I say it wrong, because I've heard people say it two different ways Hiroshima or Hiroshima.

Kerry: 10:46

I'm sorry.

Chrisy: 10:47

We read that yes, I remember that, yeah, and remember this is the late 80s, so we were still in the cold. This was before the wall came down and everything, so we were still fairly preoccupied with the possibility of a cold war or nuclear war?

Kerry: 11:03

with Russia.

Chrisy: 11:04

And so that was a little terrifying. Yes, just reliving that part of history, but then they had to double down on the trauma. You just read this book about something that really happened, but yet let's just totally send it home now.

Kerry: 11:21

Mess these kids up.

Chrisy: 11:22

We watched a movie called Testament. I know you thought it was. What movie did you think they made us?

Kerry: 11:28

watch the Day After.

Chrisy: 11:29

Which is another horrible, horrifying movie, but I didn't see that. I saw this movie.

Kerry: 11:34

Oh, so the movie I'm thinking the Day After is not the same movie as Testament.

Chrisy: 11:38

No, but it's similar storylines, it's about a nuclear war happening Right Probably in story. Well, it's about a nuclear war happening right, probably in the 80s or early 90s, but this was this movie. Testament was from the 83 you told me 83. We were seeing it five years after it was made in english class. So okay, it's basically a nuclear bomb is detonated in the united states. I think we basically are dealing with uh, california, in moment. And basically all you do is watch these people suffer and die.

Kerry: 12:09

Is this where the mother had the little boy in the sink and he's just hemorrhaging blood? Yes, okay, see I always. God, that was traumatizing that was testament, that was testament and she could do nothing to save him, nothing to save him.

Chrisy: 12:22

Yes, he from the radiation?

Kerry: 12:24

Yes, the radiation. Okay, see, in my mind I thought the movie was called Day After and so that's okay, but it was testament.

Chrisy: 12:31

But to give you credit, the Day After is a movie that deals with sort of the same idea. Yeah, absolutely.

Kerry: 12:36

I remember that scene and now that we talk about this, I think this is why I was always terrified of a nuclear war.

Chrisy: 12:42

Why we were all terrified of it. We were definitely terrified, but wow.

Kerry: 12:48

Yeah, oh, yeah, I will never forget that scene. Yeah, with the mother and the child in the sink. Yes, yes, it was so much blood.

Chrisy: 12:54

Yes, yes, yes, yes. I don't even know how to bring this back to anything. Oh my God. Okay, so we're done with the horrible movies. Okay, let's get on to something that I'm just going to shit all over.

Kerry: 13:07

Okay, but wait a minute Before we move on to horrible movies or other things. Let's finish the horrible movies. So I need to take a breath here because I know I've given you trauma because you forgot I did. See, this is what I was saying. Repressed memories. But God, no wonder why. No wonder why we're dysfunction junkies.

Chrisy: 13:26

Chrissy, I know, I know and I bet you Do, kids Are your kids having to watch this shit in school now, do they? Do this? No, not that I know of.

Kerry: 13:36

Was this some kind of special hell that we had to go?

Chrisy: 13:38

through. But if I don't know, I might find out in 15, 20 years from now, when my daughter, my oldest, graduates. Because I didn't tell my parents about it. In fact, I don't think I ever shared this with my parents Because they would have been like well, of course, it's just normal, don't worry about it, it's a movie. Did they give you popcorn?

Kerry: 13:54

I'm going to have to text your daughter and say I don't know if you want to talk about this to your mom, but you can talk about me about this, but are they?

Chrisy: 14:01

making you watch this in school? I don't think so. I'm worried for her. I I think we've evolved a little bit and I don't. Yeah, you have a good relationship you guys talk about well, no, I mean as, hopefully, as a school system and what I hope as far as educators are out there. What is the value in doing this to students? I don't know, but it screwed us up. Well, it is. It's terrifying. I'm not exactly. I would love to pick the brain of the. First of all, the morality class was taught by a sister. I'm not going to say her name because I don't have permission to, but she was a nun, of course, and taught religion there, and other was an English class, and I religion there, and other was an english class, and I remember her name too.

Kerry: 14:44

I won't share it but she was an english teacher at our high school. I'm not saying that it's yeah, that one. Okay, I'm mouthing the teacher's name because I'm like I think I can't completely blame them for their choices. I have no idea because it was probably school curriculum the curriculum, so they were following the curriculum. They probably showed this to prior they probably were in the teacher's lounge tipping back shots and stuff going oh good God, I got to teach that class and show that frickin movie today.

Chrisy: 15:07

Yeah, and they did. They sat in class. Think of how many times they had to watch it. And then they had to discuss it and hear people justifying things.

Kerry: 15:17

And they taught the same class all day. Yeah, yeah, and they taught the same class all day. Yeah, yeah, pretty much yeah. So they were teaching this like to eight different classes, I bet.

Chrisy: 15:26

If they want to come on to our podcast and talk about their trauma and dysfunction.

Kerry: 15:31

Yeah, I think they should. I wonder if that teacher's still alive.

Chrisy: 15:34

I think they both are. I think so All right.

Kerry: 15:37

We need to find this out. I'm really troubled by this and I saw the show notes and you had texted me the idea of this and I was like, yeah, okay, I hadn't really given it much thought. Yeah, no, it's bad.

Chrisy: 15:48

What were you going to say? So if people do want to watch those, they're both free on YouTube.

Kerry: 15:52

Of course they are. Of course they are. Don't watch it please everyone. I am trying to spare you torment. I was while you were talking.

Chrisy: 16:07

I was. I Googled it on my phone.

Kerry: 16:08

Don't do it, because now you're going to get horrible things, and I accidentally hit the record button, so let's see oh double.

Chrisy: 16:12

That person doesn't get that text message, they'll be like well, so now let's talk about that. Now we can move on. Yes, and I hope this will be a little bit more lighthearted. I think it will be, because we definitely need to brighten it up a little bit.

Kerry: 16:27

Yeah, looking at the list here, the one for sure. Oh yeah, that's going to lighten it up.

Chrisy: 16:32

Well, which one are you looking?

Kerry: 16:33

at the last one.

Chrisy: 16:35

Oh, oh that. Oh, wait till we get to that. Oh my God, I couldn't even remember the damn name of it. We'll get to that in a second. So books we read in high school yes, I know, you had to take some English courses in college. Everybody had.

Kerry: 16:48

Yes To some extent.

Chrisy: 16:50

Well, I think you had to at least take one, depending on what you tested.

Kerry: 16:52

I was just going to say I took one. I didn't a major in that, so I literally think I took one class in English.

Chrisy: 17:00

Right, I think everybody was required to take the one literature course. Oh, you had to take two, unless you tested out of it, which maybe she did.

Kerry: 17:07

Well, because you know why I took college prep classes in high school. So that might be why I only had to take one.

Chrisy: 17:12

Yeah, or you could have taken a lot of the English courses were offered because you had to take so many electives right, and I think I also took a like a speech presentation class. In fact, that same english teacher taught me that in college because she also taught at the college and I didn't know that yeah, I think, yeah, it was like a speech.

Kerry: 17:30

It wasn't a debate class, but it was a speech and public speaking class. Oh, okay, and and I think that was my. I feel like that was my english, that's what I, that was my only english thing I had to take, okay so well, what I'm trying to separate is because I did actually graduate with a degree in english literature so I read a lot of books.

Chrisy: 17:49

Yes, I don't read anymore and horrible, I'm sorry. Literature is very important and I have total respect and appreciation for literature. I'm just lazy, I am very lazy.

Kerry: 17:59

you're good at YouTube and you get it.

Chrisy: 18:01

You get your literature through movies and I am a product of now and I do like my information quick and probably in about a 20 to 30 minute spot, just like our podcast. Yes, we want you to get entertainment quickly and move on to our next episode, episode.

Chrisy: 18:19

So so, chrissy, go. These books traumatized me in high school. I don't really remember anything in college. Well, there was one book I'll. Maybe I'll talk about that later, but first we want to deal with these books we had to read in high school. Yeah, all right, what's up first here? Let me see, let me see, let me see. Okay, all right, here's. This is an awful book and literature. People are going to come at me, bro. Come at me, bro, try to justify this one. Steinbeck fishing. Anybody out there fish? I'm sure you do. You went fishing. You caught your dad.

Kerry: 18:51

I remember that that was the old man on the lake, not the old man in the sea.

Chrisy: 18:56

Okay, so Carrie just introduced the name of the book Old man and the Sea. Nothing that is more torture. And then they made a movie out of this.

Kerry: 19:19

I remember the book and I actually remember liking it, but I could not tell you what the plot and the story was at all. I just remember I liked it Carrie. What's the?

Chrisy: 19:30

plot A flippin' old man on the sea fishing, but he never catches anything. What is the plot of this thing?

Kerry: 19:38

I'm sorry.

Chrisy: 19:39

This is a piece of shit.

Kerry: 19:40

This isn't Moby Dick, is it no, no.

Chrisy: 19:43

No, At least that there's a challenge. Is this guy trying to catch a flipping? What do you call those fish that have the big horn coming out of their face? Oh, a marlin.

Kerry: 19:53

A marlin. I think it's a marlin, a marlin.

Chrisy: 19:55

Is that like the California state?

Kerry: 19:56

fish. No, I think that's the Florida logo.

Chrisy: 20:02

Oh, I'm thinking of somebody.

Kerry: 20:03

It's a baseball team the Florida Marlins.

Chrisy: 20:07

Again, people, I apologize, I don't fish, I'm not a nature person. I really don't care for reading. I remember that, so just the book awful, awful Spencer Tracy. I know that everybody respects him as an actor.

Kerry: 20:20

Well, I don't know Anybody out there respect.

Chrisy: 20:22

Spencer Tracy as an actor. I know it gets a lot of hubla. I'm not even going to sit here and name Spencer Tracy movies, but he was in that. Okay, I'm pretty sure he was the actor in the film version of it.

Kerry: 20:33

Now it's coming back to me Now I kind of remember yeah you're right, it was really just bad.

Chrisy: 20:39

I'm sorry.

Kerry: 20:40

I remember it didn't bother me.

Chrisy: 20:42

Let's just say that Okay, I'm having no anxiety and deep breathing about this, as I did towards the movie. The only anxiety I have is that it just never went anywhere.

Chrisy: 20:51

Yeah, it was a little monotonous and I think that anybody in literature, whenever this was written, I don't know for sure, I'm guessing 30s, 40s, maybe that generation of new writers that came up in like the 50s and 60s, like Kerouac and, oh, Ginsburg the poet, I don't know that. They really I can't speak for them, but I'm thinking that their type of writing style and literature was basically in opposition of what Steinbeck was doing at this time period. If you want to hear any sort of, You're speaking a language I have no idea you could literally be speaking French right now.

Kerry: 21:29

Well, actually, no, I've been actually taking French classes. Let's say Chinese. You could be speaking Chinese. I know no Chinese, so whatever you're saying here is like I'm sorry.

Chrisy: 21:37

Sorry, chrissy, that you're saying here is like I'm sorry, sorry, chrissy, I just that's maybe the extent of my literature knowledge. I can maybe comment on that, but I am not trying to speak for jack kerouac or alan ginsburg and how they felt about stein back right, okay I'm getting so frustrated, I'm losing control of his name. I'm just thinking because their literature style was so different compared to this.

Kerry: 21:58

Yeah, okay, what's your?

Chrisy: 21:58

next movie the Great Gatsby.

Kerry: 22:01

I love the Great.

Chrisy: 22:02

Gatsby. They made two movies out of this piece of crap I like it who's? The author of this F Scott Fitzgerald. F Fitzgerald Fitzgerald. Yeah, I know, I know this name. He's written something else important, oh okay, oh, okay, you're gonna look it up. I thought maybe somebody knew that offhand. Okay, f scott fitzgerald, I guess yeah shout out your book and the movies are crap and this is like something we can't even.

Kerry: 22:29

But it got even better when it had. Oh, you talked about him with the meme. Who is it with the meme?

Chrisy: 22:34

well, you because they did another version, a newer version le Leo. Dicaprio and Tobey Maguire, ldc and.

Kerry: 22:43

I don't know who the girl was in that. I love Leo DiCaprio.

Chrisy: 22:45

Well, I like him too very much. Well, in one movie, how can you not A couple movies? I like him, Quentin Tarantino movies. He made two with Quentin and those are both wonderful, but and I didn't see the one with Leo and Toby in it- Because, I had to bear witness to the one from the 70s with Robert Redford.

Kerry: 23:06

Mia Farrow Bruce.

Chrisy: 23:08

Dern and Sam Waterston.

Kerry: 23:11

I like that one. But I will tell you, the eye thing on the billboard was always creepy. In the movie the what? The eye on the billboard?

Chrisy: 23:18

Where is there a?

Kerry: 23:18

billboard In the Great Gatsby when they're driving and there's the eye watching. I don't remember this. Am I getting my movies mixed up again? I think there's a when they're driving crazy down the road and there's the billboard. I'm sure I got it.

Chrisy: 23:32

Well, I can't say you're. I'm not going to dispute you, but obviously that didn't make an impression on me. Okay, well, but anyhow, I just I have not, you're not a fan. I can't relate to this filthy rich guy who's just like, hangs out in his house and hides and then he has this party. And then Pete, I'm guessing here, he's at the party and everybody's like this is just a flipping killer party. It was who threw it, the Gatsby. Well, where is he? I don't know who the hell he is. Isn't that what it was? The basis was, they didn't even know this. He was sort of creepy, sulking around at the party, going hey, this is a great party, right, whose party is? I don't know the guy's awesome. Look at the party you're blowing out. What do you? You're giving me a look of disgust, nicholas. I just it was written, you know, f scott fitzgerald's in that the jazz age it was.

Kerry: 24:21

It was what the time was like then.

Chrisy: 24:23

That's what it was about it's not that everybody was rich, like jay gatsby back then, but yeah, let's talk about those poor bastards. Oh, should we go? Go into the other? Oh, I forgot. The grapes are wrath, although that's not the jazz age.

Kerry: 24:36

That would be the great depression you know you have there's, I thought of one that's not the Jazz Age. That would be the Great Depression. You know, I thought of one that's not on your list Of.

Chrisy: 24:41

Mice and Men. Yeah, that's got so many layers to it and it's just too upsetting for me. I didn't even want to talk about that. I'm sorry.

Kerry: 24:55

You couldn't even say the name. Well, I like that one too. I can't even talk about that, let's move on to your big one, the one that you were like ooh, real piece of crap, in my opinion, oh God.

Chrisy: 25:10

And I had to ask Nick what the name of it was, because I kept saying it's that book Piggy? It's a book called Piggy, right, isn't that the name of the book Piggy? That's what they call the poor heavy. I know, but that wasn't the name of the book.

Chrisy: 25:25

No, it was lord of the flies lord of the flies right the flipping they this is what I wish we were doing video to see chrissy right now the kid's name, I think they gave him the name and it wasn't his name, and they called him Piggy. And this is just a story, a book written about bullying the weak one. It is terrible. These kids get stranded on an island. They end up eating him.

Kerry: 25:55

And this is where we've gone back before. Oh, I forgot about that part. It's terrible.

Chrisy: 26:13

It's a horrible book. So, but this goes back to what we talked about before about these things. That really good point. Don't you think the better way of approaching how to present these works of literature to students would be and maybe they do that now to some extent if they're reading any of this crap still in school, I don't know but to give it an opportunity to open conversation about how this makes you feel Right, and who I mean. How do you think it made the other person feel and how can you go forth after reading this to be a better person, right, like?

Kerry: 26:49

they made us do after that movie, we had to talk about it. I don't remember talking about this kind of stuff. It was just here's the thing, an essay. Move on next week, another traumatizing book, yeah, yeah yeah, it's horrible, it's horrible.

Chrisy: 27:03

Yeah, I don't uh anybody have. I guess I should ask my daughter, but what are they making her? Read these days. I don't know. Do we know, do you?

Kerry: 27:11

know if not. Well, she's going into the. She's going into the 10th grade right 11th, 11th, oh, she's in 11th.

Chrisy: 27:16

Well, she read To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee, oh.

Kerry: 27:20

I love that one.

Chrisy: 27:24

You guys did it, you brought it.

Kerry: 27:26

I wasn't going to, your husband did. Is that a?

Chrisy: 27:30

good book.

Kerry: 27:31

Yes, I think it's a good book.

Chrisy: 27:33

Yes, I'm not going to dispute that piece of literature. Is it a great movie?

Kerry: 27:39

Yes.

Chrisy: 27:39

Yes, it's, a wonderful film yes gregory peck. My daughter has an affection for this gentleman who died a very long time ago. Great actor robert duvall's film debut robert duvall was it really? I believe so yes, very, very important. Yeah, but piece of literature, here's where I'm gonna get, come at me, bro. Here's where I'm gonna get in trouble, prissy. It is my opinion and I have nothing except that this is something. If you google it, it's not just me thinking this, this is a oh, because if it's on the internet, you google it.

Chrisy: 28:14

It's true it's not true, but I was making. There's obviously Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. There is no, I'm telling you up front. There is no fact, nothing based in fact with this. This is all speculation, but it just seems strange to me where a person can write and publish this type of literature at the highest level. I mean, it's non-disputed, it's a fantastic piece of literature. It made a fantastic piece of literature. It made a fantastic film. How is it that this is the only card you have in your deck?

Kerry: 28:45

One and done, great and done.

Chrisy: 28:46

I think she was supposedly trying to write another novel before her death. Am I correct in that? And it might have actually been a sequel to what was going on? Am I wrong there? Did it have some connection with? To Kill a mockingbird, I don't know, so she's. She's written a few other.

Chrisy: 29:06

She had written a few other books, but she got writer's block christy, which I I I totally would not dispute that. That is definitely a thing. But then you think about who her buddy was. Who was her buddy? Truman Capote? I don't know who that is you ever hear of anything called Breakfast at Tiffany's Uh-huh or In Cold Blood. In Cold Blood was the big one. She actually helped him with the research on that.

Chrisy: 29:36

She did Okay, and so I don't dispute the woman educated, the woman knowledgeable, the woman not actually helped him with the research on that. She did okay, and so I don't dispute the woman educated, the woman knowledgeable, the woman not dumb on it. No, no, no, no. But just to what level did truman assist in this piece of literature is just a question. You have no facts, just whatever. Just me and many other people out there sort of brought this topic, this possibility up.

Chrisy: 30:03

I don't want to try and promote any sort of conspiracy stuff, although I guess this is sort of a conspiracy thing. Again, I'm telling you I have nothing to base this on except ramblings of other people. And then it made me kind of think well, you know, anything's possible, I guess. And then it made me kind of think well, you know anything's possible, I guess. Well, there was always that theory that Truman Capote, as a gift to her, wrote the book. Is that what you're talking?

Kerry: 30:26

about yes.

Chrisy: 30:26

Here's another theory Courtney Love did not have any talent. Now, I'm not saying this is a fact. Boy, did you go from one, wow, but you switched gears.

Kerry: 30:39

She did is a fact. Boy, did you go?

Chrisy: 30:40

from wow, but she switched gears. She did. Courtney lives in a band called hole and some of their stuff was very good. I like hole, I like the music. We're a product of that time period, the 90s I have no idea what, what's court? She was married to kurt cobain, the guy from nirvana, the lead singer oh, okay it was a rumor too.

Chrisy: 30:57

Courtney's a victim of this, just like harper lee. They said she had no talent. And again, rumor, no base, facts base here. But you mean songwriting, songwriting, writing talent. No, she could sing. Yeah, she was definitely a presence as a singer. I'm not crapping on that, but it was always speculated whether or not she was capable of writing to that level because she was married to Kurt Cobain, who was a proven artist.

Chrisy: 31:23

That way so Harper Lee and Courtney are both besties? No well, I don't know, but they're unfortunately victims to the same speculation, and it is only speculation and people like to make up crap. And yeah, once you, once you're famous, come on you guys. I don't want to hear it's so hard to be famous. I guess it is. I don't know, I'm not famous. If you guys want to start making me famous we'll see how I can break down.

Chrisy: 31:48

I'm open to it, wow. But yeah, I'm probably the only person in the world who's ever connected Harper Lee with Courtney. Love my connection.

Kerry: 32:02

My six degrees of separation. I was just talking to somebody about that six degrees of separation. Oh, we went to a graduation I think it was a graduation party and I was talking about that and people had no clue what I was talking about. I'm like, really, that was like a big thing at raw anyways, but it was cool to hear you say that well, those six degrees of kevin bacon.

Chrisy: 32:14

That's a fun game to play. It is all right, I want.

Kerry: 32:18

All right, I want to be six degrees from Leo oh.

Chrisy: 32:23

We're too old for Leo. I don't even know that he hangs out with people as friends already. You want to?

Kerry: 32:31

be six degrees from Gillian, gillian, isn't that? Who that kid? No, killian.

Chrisy: 32:36

Killian.

Kerry: 32:39

Not Gilligan.

Chrisy: 32:43

Killian, killian Killian, and that kid, no killy. Killian killian, not killing it, not killing it. Killian killian, and again, yes, I just think he's just a great actor and he's just fun.

Kerry: 32:50

Do your, do your dna, you might find no, no, no well, this was an interesting episode, although slightly traumatizing.

Chrisy: 32:58

And, I'm sure, traumatizing for the listeners.

Kerry: 33:02

They're like is it over?

Chrisy: 33:03

yet, please, no more. We'll leave it at that, all right.

Kerry: 33:08

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